KVR Audio

John-E34 · Post by **John-E34** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:12 am

Thanks Andrew, much appreciated.

dhalfen · Post by **dhalfen** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:23 am

Whoa! Not to be Mr. Sour Grapes, but: any way to make that manual smaller? The thing's ENORMOUS for a PDF. It looks nice, and I wouldn't want to sacrifice screenshot quality, but the "Metasynth 5" manual (with twice as many pages) is less than half the size...

As for the clickable TOC:

http://www.ehow.com/how_9665_create-links-pdf.html

For the record, these are more useful than the thumbnails, IMHumO.

Worked for me!

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:56 am

thanks. good info regarding links. doing that now.

size is 11MB. Of course size is directly tied to the quality of the screen shots. page count does not matter much. There are a lot of large images. Lower quality settings did not look good IMHO. I will try one last time to reduce it a little more...

John-E34 · Post by **John-E34** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:10 am

I don't think the file size is an issue...

the quality is what really matters.

The only thing missing is the linked index, but hopefully you can figure that out for a future update.

dj! (112dB) · Post by **dj! (112dB)** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:30 am

Warp69 wrote:
Galbanum wrote:This chart may be interesting by itself to some people too BTW
If you're not interested in comments, analysis and corrections from competitors regarding your product/claims, I would rethink that chart.

Definitely. Unless you are going to make it clear that with "The Algorithmic Competition" you are referring specifically and only to the Lexicon Native reverb I for one strongly object to the claims you make in that chart. The way it is made to look now suggests that your chart refers to all other algorithmic reverbs, in which case quite a few of the quotes specs are misleading and a number just plain wrong.

$.02,

-- dj!

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:47 am

Please send us an email to info [at] 2caudio.com and explain the errors as you understand them. If we confirm there are factual errors of course we will make edits.

Regarding naming specific companies we will take this into consideration...

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:52 am

Updated manual again...

1) Embedded Links in TOC. Cover page links to TOC.
2) Saved 1MB... down to ~10 mb.

(acrobat "reduce files size" feature results in 3MB, but all graphics look horrible at 1X zoom...)

dj! (112dB) · Post by **dj! (112dB)** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:05 am

Galbanum wrote:Please send us an email to info [at] 2caudio.com and explain the errors as you understand them. If we confirm there are factual errors of course we will make edits.

Well, just with respect to our own Redline Reverb:

Variable Quality Modes - No
Not wrong as such but quite misleading: we don't have this because we don't need any--the CPU load of Redline Reverb is extremely low even at maximum quality.
Latency - 32 samples
Redline Reverb has zero latency.
EQ - 1 ER Output Filter, 1 LR Output Filter
Redline Reverb offers two parametric output EQs plus two parametric damping EQs.
FX Usage - Very Limited
If you go through our presets there's a lot of extreme special FX presets.
Maximum Size - Around 80 meters
Our LR size goes up to 666 meters.
Parameter Accessibility - Nested/tabbed GUI...
Redline Reverb has a single page GUI.
Preset Browser - Single preset select via menu: very slow
I think that's not what you'll find when you try our presets menu. Changes are completely instantaneous.
Copy Protection - iLok
All our products feature license file protection that is not tied to hardware or anything else.
Price - Up to $1899
Sure, but also "As low as $149" for our offering.

And that's just for our single plugin. I'm sure other reverb manufacturers might have other issues with your comparison chart.

All the best,

-- dj!

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:18 am

yes. Agreed. Word choice in the title is not clear enough as we just discussed via email. We do not mean to compare to the entire market. The quotes in the title were intended to infer this, but perhaps it is too subtle...

evaluating this topic more...

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:42 am

Very helpful! Thanks Andrew . . .

dhalfen · Post by **dhalfen** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:17 am

dj! (112dB) wrote:I'm sure other reverb manufacturers might have other issues with your comparison chart.

As someone who frequently uses Aether (it's gobbling up CPU cycles as I write!), all I can say is:

The manual doesn't really need the chart; Aether speaks for itself.

Of course, some people who like to compare apples to oranges to spiked maces and rotten bananas may think they need it.

The safer route may just be a list of the existing "virtues." No comparison is really needed, BECAUSE (wait for it, wait for it...) nothing I've used compares to Aether.

Except for, like, you know -- REAL canyons, cathedrals, theatres, etc.

dhalfen · Post by **dhalfen** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:28 am

Galbanum wrote:Updated manual again...

1) Embedded Links in TOC. Cover page links to TOC.
2) Saved 1MB... down to ~10 mb.

(acrobat "reduce files size" feature results in 3MB, but all graphics look horrible at 1X zoom...)

Yeah, I was afraid that the images may look bad, but who knows...

Here's an old link I resurrected from the favourites list:

http://blog.nitropdf.com/index.php/2008 ... file-size/

But, other than this: Thank you!!! The TOC is now officially fantastic!

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:54 am

"refry pdf" option in that link via (re)print to pdf from Preview in OSX sounded like a cool trick to try, but it makes the file 49MB, and breaks the TOC links...

The only option would be to reduce image quality I think, and IMHO it is not worth it...

In 2010 we download 5-10-20MB MP3s from iTunes like they are in a candy machine, and many of us download gigbytes of movies as well from here, and Netflix etc... So IMHO, who cares if the manual is 5MB or 10MB... right?

jensa · Post by **jensa** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:32 pm

dhalfen wrote:Except for, like, you know -- REAL canyons, cathedrals, theatres, etc.

And toilets... or I meant bathrooms.

dhalfen · Post by **dhalfen** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:36 pm

Galbanum wrote:"refry pdf" option in that link via (re)print to pdf from Preview in OSX sounded like a cool trick to try, but it makes the file 49MB, and breaks the TOC links...

What the hell??! Go figure. I hadn't actually tried this trick myself, but it sounded good. It turned everything into a graphic, I guess...

Galbanum wrote:In 2010 we download 5-10-20MB MP3s from iTunes like they are in a candy machine, and many of us download gigabytes of movies as well from here, and Netflix etc... So IMHO, who cares if the manual is 5MB or 10MB... right?

Well, every little bit o' reduced downloading counts -- but you're right, this would be like using a small pail to help clean up the current oil spill.

jensa wrote:And toilets... or I meant bathrooms.

Hey, you can add reverb to whatever you want, but from the sound of things, I beg you to leave me OUT of it!!!

Hmmm, the sound of a violin section playing in a toilet bowl - there's a positively... awful idea!

(Can you flush 'em if they stink?

)

Is 2C's Aether REALLY worth it? (the answer is: yes, certainly)