R.I.P., Macintosh?

[hibidy]

can I just say, who cares?

Nothing against mac but really, is that article worth anything other than "fanboi"ism?

[djanthonyw]

can I just say, who cares?

Nothing against mac but really, is that article worth anything other than "fanboi"ism?

Actually the article is just from someone that has A.D.D.

[UltraJv]

Just cause he didn't talk about something (mac's or osx) does not mean nothings being done on it.
The wise words, "It's not what's said, but what isn't said" come to mind here.
You (tomg) or the snide, yuppy looking writer of that useless article, have done nothing even close to help in computer development, than Apple has.
You should thank Apple for giving you Windows 7, as you wouldn't have it without Apple.

Cant let you away with that one - You have BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) to thank for OSX 10.x
Apple "adopted" it and added Aqua GUI on top.
Xerox came up up the idea of a mouse controlled GUI. Apple comes along and adopts it as they do most things. Apple didnt give us Windows 7 attall. Before OSX, OS9 was developed by Microware Systems Corporation. Apple are a marketing company, they dont invent.

pwn

Apple is hardware company first, a software company second and a marketing company last. If they don't invent something they certainly do improve upon the concept and make it the best that it can be. As for micro soft, they certainly aren't the innovators, atleast not anymore.

http://ecommercecenter.net/case-study/t ... -os-x.html

I could correct those individually but heres the one on the dock - it was Next (after jobs left) that came up with it :

"A number of Apple employees joined Steve Jobs' NeXT after he left Apple in 1986. That company created an early Dock for the NeXTSTEP"

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/0 ... e-taskbar/

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

as someone who's had operations on both wrists for carpal tunnel, the thought of extending arms to touch a full-size, upright pc monitor for many long hours operating my DAW of choice, is an absolute nightmare...far better to have a multitouch interface that can be placed at a comfortable level to compliment my wacom

this is what i see apple doing....they might be promoting ipad for the general consumer market at the moment but apps have already started appearing that offer bonus functionality for us...having the ipad double as a second display is a sweet touch....having lemur-like or euphonix-like functionality at such a pricepoint is incredible news

apps will keep coming that will offer up inspiration through novel control means...nothing revolutionary (maybe), but cheap, portable and FUN

some people might predict the demise of the desktop but until someone convinces me that holding a 27" ipad is gonna be easy or that hours hunched over ipad, netbook or laptop is gonna be healthy (the minute you put it on a desk, you help make the case for desktops)...

so, i'm always gonna want a big screen with which to watch my media and use my daw and, as imac showed us some years back, if you have room for a screen then you have room for a computer

consider how apple has carved their way into studios with logic (of course, a user base did exist before apple bought it, but now it's much greater)...consider, also, the impact of lower cost film editing software......are these industries, that often spread their work over multiple large screens, gonna ever work solely on 7-10 inch screens ?? of course not....they will, however, have a hands-on interface that will allow interesting interaction options with their computers...the consumer market may never have the need for more but for the guy making orchestral soundtrack mockups with libraries run off multiple computers, a few networked pads aint gonna cut it

even with the consumer market, the need for a larger media portal will remain...you might spend a whole day out and about surfing the net etc with your ipad but when you get home to watch the film you just d'loaded from itunes, is the family all gonna hunch up round the ipad or will it be docked to recharge while outputting to the 50-inch screen on the wall ???

i can see the benefits to apple locking things down for quality control...it remains to be seen whether they can maintain enough quality apps to make it a sole unit...otherwise, at the price point, it could almost make sense (to me) just to have it as a front-end to logic pro....then, if i found it lacking in the quality of apps or felt too restricted in what i was allowed to consume, i could get some other non-apple pad device

as for the original article, posted, i reckon jobs is diverting all energy into the new product while it has the whole share of the market....isn't that good business sense??....the only reason it wouldn't be is if the mac range was dying on its knees...however it seems the loudest complaints about macs being underpowered and overpriced seem to come from the windows/pc crowd.....those with macs, on the whole, seem to be pretty satisfied....my 4-year old macbook pro still handles most of what i throw at it and is no slouch running the big boys like omnisphere and alchemy....even my 4-year old graphics card, in bootcamp, allows me to enjoy fps with graphics decent enough to not spoil the experience

as a mac owner, does this article cause me any worry ??? bo****ks, does it

[UltraJv]

as someone who's had operations on both wrists for carpal tunnel, the thought of extending arms to touch a full-size, upright pc monitor for many long hours operating my DAW of choice, is an absolute nightmare...far better to have a multitouch interface that can be placed at a comfortable level to compliment my wacom

this is what i see apple doing....they might be promoting ipad for the general consumer market at the moment but apps have already started appearing that offer bonus functionality for us...having the ipad double as a second display is a sweet touch....having lemur-like or euphonix-like functionality at such a pricepoint is incredible news

apps will keep coming that will offer up inspiration through novel control means...nothing revolutionary (maybe), but cheap, portable and FUN

some people might predict the demise of the desktop but until someone convinces me that holding a 27" ipad is gonna be easy or that hours hunched over ipad, netbook or laptop is gonna be healthy (the minute you put it on a desk, you help make the case for desktops)...

so, i'm always gonna want a big screen with which to watch my media and use my daw and, as imac showed us some years back, if you have room for a screen then you have room for a computer

consider how apple has carved their way into studios with logic (of course, a user base did exist before apple bought it, but now it's much greater)...consider, also, the impact of lower cost film editing software......are these industries, that often spread their work over multiple large screens, gonna ever work solely on 7-10 inch screens ?? of course not....they will, however, have a hands-on interface that will allow interesting interaction options with their computers...the consumer market may never have the need for more but for the guy making orchestral soundtrack mockups with libraries run off multiple computers, a few networked pads aint gonna cut it

even with the consumer market, the need for a larger media portal will remain...you might spend a whole day out and about surfing the net etc with your ipad but when you get home to watch the film you just d'loaded from itunes, is the family all gonna hunch up round the ipad or will it be docked to recharge while outputting to the 50-inch screen on the wall ???

i can see the benefits to apple locking things down for quality control...it remains to be seen whether they can maintain enough quality apps to make it a sole unit...otherwise, at the price point, it could almost make sense (to me) just to have it as a front-end to logic pro....then, if i found it lacking in the quality of apps or felt too restricted in what i was allowed to consume, i could get some other non-apple pad device

as for the original article, posted, i reckon jobs is diverting all energy into the new product while it has the whole share of the market....isn't that good business sense??....the only reason it wouldn't be is if the mac range was dying on its knees...however it seems the loudest complaints about macs being underpowered and overpriced seem to come from the windows/pc crowd.....those with macs, on the whole, seem to be pretty satisfied....my 4-year old macbook pro still handles most of what i throw at it and is no slouch running the big boys like omnisphere and alchemy....even my 4-year old graphics card, in bootcamp, allows me to enjoy fps with graphics decent enough to not spoil the experience

as a mac owner, does this article cause me any worry ??? bo****ks, does it

Touch has already been established in industry for many years. Even my GPs surgery has had it for years. When I arrive at the surgery, theres a panel mount LCD with touch screen that allows me to "sign in". I wouldnt want that in place of mouse and keyboard either. As you said, its uncomfortable if you have to reach across your desk and do it. It has its place in some areas. For over 7 years I used touch on my Palm T, it was ok but not groundbreaking. I hated the virtual keyboard. Palm even came up with graffiti - a shorthand input but I never liked that either. Multitouch is a minor variation. No one is ever worried about something becoming redundant until they cant get x on a format. Its happened to me so many times that Im used to it.

[UltraJv]

Perhaps one day - all computing input will be like this :

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/15 ... pewriters/

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

as someone who's had operations on both wrists for carpal tunnel, the thought of extending arms to touch a full-size, upright pc monitor for many long hours operating my DAW of choice, is an absolute nightmare...far better to have a multitouch interface that can be placed at a comfortable level to compliment my wacom

this is what i see apple doing....they might be promoting ipad for the general consumer market at the moment but apps have already started appearing that offer bonus functionality for us...having the ipad double as a second display is a sweet touch....having lemur-like or euphonix-like functionality at such a pricepoint is incredible news

apps will keep coming that will offer up inspiration through novel control means...nothing revolutionary (maybe), but cheap, portable and FUN

some people might predict the demise of the desktop but until someone convinces me that holding a 27" ipad is gonna be easy or that hours hunched over ipad, netbook or laptop is gonna be healthy (the minute you put it on a desk, you help make the case for desktops)...

so, i'm always gonna want a big screen with which to watch my media and use my daw and, as imac showed us some years back, if you have room for a screen then you have room for a computer

consider how apple has carved their way into studios with logic (of course, a user base did exist before apple bought it, but now it's much greater)...consider, also, the impact of lower cost film editing software......are these industries, that often spread their work over multiple large screens, gonna ever work solely on 7-10 inch screens ?? of course not....they will, however, have a hands-on interface that will allow interesting interaction options with their computers...the consumer market may never have the need for more but for the guy making orchestral soundtrack mockups with libraries run off multiple computers, a few networked pads aint gonna cut it

even with the consumer market, the need for a larger media portal will remain...you might spend a whole day out and about surfing the net etc with your ipad but when you get home to watch the film you just d'loaded from itunes, is the family all gonna hunch up round the ipad or will it be docked to recharge while outputting to the 50-inch screen on the wall ???

i can see the benefits to apple locking things down for quality control...it remains to be seen whether they can maintain enough quality apps to make it a sole unit...otherwise, at the price point, it could almost make sense (to me) just to have it as a front-end to logic pro....then, if i found it lacking in the quality of apps or felt too restricted in what i was allowed to consume, i could get some other non-apple pad device

as for the original article, posted, i reckon jobs is diverting all energy into the new product while it has the whole share of the market....isn't that good business sense??....the only reason it wouldn't be is if the mac range was dying on its knees...however it seems the loudest complaints about macs being underpowered and overpriced seem to come from the windows/pc crowd.....those with macs, on the whole, seem to be pretty satisfied....my 4-year old macbook pro still handles most of what i throw at it and is no slouch running the big boys like omnisphere and alchemy....even my 4-year old graphics card, in bootcamp, allows me to enjoy fps with graphics decent enough to not spoil the experience

as a mac owner, does this article cause me any worry ??? bo****ks, does it

Touch has already been established in industry for many years. Even my GPs surgery has had it for years. When I arrive at the surgery, theres a panel mount LCD with touch screen that allows me to "sign in". I wouldnt want that in place of mouse and keyboard either. As you said, its uncomfortable if you have to reach across your desk and do it. It has its place in some areas. For over 7 years I used touch on my Palm T, it was ok but not groundbreaking. I hated the virtual keyboard. Palm even came up with graffiti - a shorthand input but I never liked that either. Multitouch is a minor variation. No one is ever worried about something becoming redundant until they cant get x on a format. Its happened to me so many times that Im used to it.

i didn't ever say it was revolutionary...the interface might have been there before....what it is now gonna be used to control, and the way it will be able to control it is pretty exciting for me....obviously not for you because your doctors surgery satisfies those urges in you by allowing you to 'sign in' every once in a while

i love how you keep prattling on about your 7-year old palm T...no, really....it's..........quaint

i'm just joking with ya......you obviously aren't interested.....lucky you...you can save the money....i'm not interested in making you see the potential, just commenting on the article....why are you spending so much energy trying to convince those who see a lot of fun and potential that, not being revolutionary (or that your 7-year palm experience is any kind of parallel), matters at all......

let me bring you back on track, cuz i can't remember...do you think the current strategy of apple to prioritise and promote the ipad spells the end of the mac (or any pad/slate spelling the end of desktops) ??

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Perhaps one day - all computing input will be like this :

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/15 ... pewriters/

hahaha, that's brilliant...reminds me of the future-retro stylings of the film 'brazil'

[UltraJv]

as someone who's had operations on both wrists for carpal tunnel, the thought of extending arms to touch a full-size, upright pc monitor for many long hours operating my DAW of choice, is an absolute nightmare...far better to have a multitouch interface that can be placed at a comfortable level to compliment my wacom

this is what i see apple doing....they might be promoting ipad for the general consumer market at the moment but apps have already started appearing that offer bonus functionality for us...having the ipad double as a second display is a sweet touch....having lemur-like or euphonix-like functionality at such a pricepoint is incredible news

apps will keep coming that will offer up inspiration through novel control means...nothing revolutionary (maybe), but cheap, portable and FUN

some people might predict the demise of the desktop but until someone convinces me that holding a 27" ipad is gonna be easy or that hours hunched over ipad, netbook or laptop is gonna be healthy (the minute you put it on a desk, you help make the case for desktops)...

so, i'm always gonna want a big screen with which to watch my media and use my daw and, as imac showed us some years back, if you have room for a screen then you have room for a computer

consider how apple has carved their way into studios with logic (of course, a user base did exist before apple bought it, but now it's much greater)...consider, also, the impact of lower cost film editing software......are these industries, that often spread their work over multiple large screens, gonna ever work solely on 7-10 inch screens ?? of course not....they will, however, have a hands-on interface that will allow interesting interaction options with their computers...the consumer market may never have the need for more but for the guy making orchestral soundtrack mockups with libraries run off multiple computers, a few networked pads aint gonna cut it

even with the consumer market, the need for a larger media portal will remain...you might spend a whole day out and about surfing the net etc with your ipad but when you get home to watch the film you just d'loaded from itunes, is the family all gonna hunch up round the ipad or will it be docked to recharge while outputting to the 50-inch screen on the wall ???

i can see the benefits to apple locking things down for quality control...it remains to be seen whether they can maintain enough quality apps to make it a sole unit...otherwise, at the price point, it could almost make sense (to me) just to have it as a front-end to logic pro....then, if i found it lacking in the quality of apps or felt too restricted in what i was allowed to consume, i could get some other non-apple pad device

as for the original article, posted, i reckon jobs is diverting all energy into the new product while it has the whole share of the market....isn't that good business sense??....the only reason it wouldn't be is if the mac range was dying on its knees...however it seems the loudest complaints about macs being underpowered and overpriced seem to come from the windows/pc crowd.....those with macs, on the whole, seem to be pretty satisfied....my 4-year old macbook pro still handles most of what i throw at it and is no slouch running the big boys like omnisphere and alchemy....even my 4-year old graphics card, in bootcamp, allows me to enjoy fps with graphics decent enough to not spoil the experience

as a mac owner, does this article cause me any worry ??? bo****ks, does it

Touch has already been established in industry for many years. Even my GPs surgery has had it for years. When I arrive at the surgery, theres a panel mount LCD with touch screen that allows me to "sign in". I wouldnt want that in place of mouse and keyboard either. As you said, its uncomfortable if you have to reach across your desk and do it. It has its place in some areas. For over 7 years I used touch on my Palm T, it was ok but not groundbreaking. I hated the virtual keyboard. Palm even came up with graffiti - a shorthand input but I never liked that either. Multitouch is a minor variation. No one is ever worried about something becoming redundant until they cant get x on a format. Its happened to me so many times that Im used to it.

i didn't ever say it was revolutionary...the interface might have been there before....what it is now gonna be used to control, and the way it will be able to control it is pretty exciting for me....obviously not for you because your doctors surgery satisfies those urges in you by allowing you to 'sign in' every once in a while

i love how you keep prattling on about your 7-year old palm T...no, really....it's..........quaint

i'm just joking with ya......you obviously aren't interested.....lucky you...you can save the money....i'm not interested in making you see the potential, just commenting on the article....why are you spending so much energy trying to convince those who see a lot of fun and potential that, not being revolutionary (or that your 7-year palm experience is any kind of parallel), matters at all......

let me bring you back on track, cuz i can't remember...do you think the current strategy of apple to prioritise and promote the ipad spells the end of the mac (or any pad/slate spelling the end of desktops) ??

Jobs is being an ass lately. Picking fights with Adobe, getting into legal problems over unfair trading. I find his "evangelising" method insulting. Its like being in a church where everybody chants the same thing unquestionably. It rubs off on Mac owners and I just cant help but respond to it. Its clear that changes are coming. In the past, he has just dropped Mac owners in it. He is hinting that the Mac desktop range is coming to an end. He stated that theres little money for him in that market. I mention the Palm T as its a similar device, it had IBM onboard for business as well. Palm were a hardware company too, making unique devices with unique OS. Now Palm has gone. Perhaps it is quaint to think of the era that Apple made new ranges of desktops/laptops also

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i don't think anyone has been dropped in anything...those that still want to use their apple lisa, still can...you can't expect companies to support this stuff indefinitely....i know of many logic users that still have found no need to stop using their pre-intel computers

i'm guessing you are a pc user...do you not feel somewhat shafted that windows '98 is no longer supported ??

as for adobe...flash might be everywhere, but i understand jobs reasons for not wanting anything to do with it, rather ironically considering the accusations often leveled at him, choosing to go with the support of ongoing 'standards'

i know you have read my reasons why i think there will always be a need for some kind of desktop computer even if it is a 27' imac with ipad thinness and multitouch

and still with the 'palm'

[Compyfox]

Wait, if this is true that the "Mac is dead", does that mean:

We get OSX natively for Intel/AMD rigs (without any mods)?


Everything else pretty much doesn't interest me.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

no wonder you're so jaded and without vision for the ipad and other slates, ultrajv....

i just checked out the palm t, online...blimey, you're right...they are indeed very similar ....just how is life for one who has seen it all ??

despite being able to sign in at your doctors surgery and all the amazing benefits of owning your 'palm' you aren't willing to concede that apple has taken something that seemed to infuriate you and improve upon the concept

all those poor, poor people who now own one

[UltraJv]

no wonder you're so jaded and without vision for the ipad and other slates, ultrajv....

i just checked out the palm t, online...blimey, you're right...they are indeed very similar ....just how is life for one who has seen it all ??

despite being able to sign in at your doctors surgery and all the amazing benefits of owning your 'palm' you aren't willing to concede that apple has taken something that seemed to infuriate you and improve upon the concept

all those poor, poor people who now own one

As Im 47, I have seen plenty of changes in tech along the way. I dont own Microsoft phone or PDA. I choose the best thing for the job. Apple has taken marketing to a religious level where you cant see the issues. They could have used an X86 CPU for ipad but they chose to use A4. Didnt they make that decision with the IBM CPU years ago? Then went to Intel and upset Mac owners. This means no backward compatibilty with OSX and little advantage. It does of course mean you have to buy all the apps again. I look forward to seeing all the ipads on Ebay in a few months time when the novelty has worn off and people realise that its just another gadget they didnt need

Edit - I just had a look - jailbroken ipads on Ebay already

Jobs new toy is iphone 4 now...

As for for being jaded - I think youre mistaking it for being wise.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

no wonder you're so jaded and without vision for the ipad and other slates, ultrajv....

i just checked out the palm t, online...blimey, you're right...they are indeed very similar ....just how is life for one who has seen it all ??

despite being able to sign in at your doctors surgery and all the amazing benefits of owning your 'palm' you aren't willing to concede that apple has taken something that seemed to infuriate you and improve upon the concept

all those poor, poor people who now own one

As Im 47, I have seen plenty of changes in tech along the way. I dont own Microsoft phone or PDA. I choose the best thing for the job. Apple has taken marketing to a religious level where you cant see the issues. They could have used an X86 CPU for ipad but they chose to use A4. Didnt they make that mistake with the IBM CPU years ago? This means no backward compatibilty with OSX and little advantage. It does of course mean you have to buy all the apps again. I look forward to seeing all the ipads on Ebay in a few months time when the novelty has worn off and people realise that its just another gadget they didnt need

Edit - I just had a look - jailbroken ipads on Ebay already

i couldn't care less about apple's marketing...like you, i chose the best thing for the job but, more importantly , the best thing for me

as for buying apps again..i've never bought a single 'app' from apple other than logic and , as i've said, any apps i might buy would likely better my logic experience, not force me to re-buy anything

and why do you look forward to seeing ipads on ebay ??? better to be proven right, even at the expense of the loss of other individuals...and you berate apple for how you believe they view people and the market

again, you still have no interest in the ipad, other than to argue against it....how about getting back on topic...once again, i ask you, do you think that apple, in prioritising the ipad for the moment, have ditched the mac ??

[UltraJv]

no wonder you're so jaded and without vision for the ipad and other slates, ultrajv....

i just checked out the palm t, online...blimey, you're right...they are indeed very similar ....just how is life for one who has seen it all ??

despite being able to sign in at your doctors surgery and all the amazing benefits of owning your 'palm' you aren't willing to concede that apple has taken something that seemed to infuriate you and improve upon the concept

all those poor, poor people who now own one

As Im 47, I have seen plenty of changes in tech along the way. I dont own Microsoft phone or PDA. I choose the best thing for the job. Apple has taken marketing to a religious level where you cant see the issues. They could have used an X86 CPU for ipad but they chose to use A4. Didnt they make that mistake with the IBM CPU years ago? This means no backward compatibilty with OSX and little advantage. It does of course mean you have to buy all the apps again. I look forward to seeing all the ipads on Ebay in a few months time when the novelty has worn off and people realise that its just another gadget they didnt need

Edit - I just had a look - jailbroken ipads on Ebay already

i couldn't care less about apple's marketing...like you, i chose the best thing for the job but, more importantly , the best thing for me

as for buying apps again..i've never bought a single 'app' from apple other than logic and , as i've said, any apps i might buy would likely better my logic experience, not force me to re-buy anything

and why do you look forward to seeing ipads on ebay ??? better to be proven right, even at the expense of the loss of other individuals...and you berate apple for how you believe they view people and the market

again, you still have no interest in the ipad, other than to argue against it....how about getting back on topic...once again, i ask you, do you think that apple, in prioritising the ipad for the moment, have ditched the mac ??

These things never end well. I was trying to show how history repeats itself. Yes they have ditched the Mac.