R.I.P., Macintosh?

[IncarnateX]

Lots of people think MS Word is a great program. I mean, they must, right? Seems like everyone uses it.

Thousand flies cannot be wrong about shit!

[UltraJv]

Ah, the Mac users are making themselves feel better by pretending the ipad will make a great replacement, how quaint

It sure will make a great fly swat though, perhaps the flies can get the benefit of multitouch...

[debra1rlo]

who said that? i don't want one of those things.

i'm just saying the whole argument's stupid. i don't want a computer implanted in my brain either, but i bet that makes ME look like a nut job in 20 years.

[eduardo_b]

Oh, so you like Word?

It's not about liking but rather using the standards that people tend to adopt because that's what's commonly available, works well and allows the easy exchange of documents.

[debra1rlo]

Oh, so you like Word?

It's not about liking but rather using the standards that people tend to adopt because that's what's commonly available, works well and allows the easy exchange of documents.

And I would counter that I have NO experience with the program "working well." ever. easy exchange of documents? to an extent I guess... if you consider that I still have to ask for a PDF 1/2 of the time because the idiots using the program have no idea how to save a file properly. just encountered it yesterday, would have saved an hour of f-ing around if the guy had just sent a PDF (MY industry standard.)

Fwiw, at one time a Mac was considered a "standard" by "professionals" in "the industry." Standards change, let the dinosaur die, people, ffs, use PDF's, word docs suck and will make your printer hate you.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Ah, the Mac users are making themselves feel better by pretending the ipad will make a great replacement, how quaint

no, they aren't....they can't be a replacement thus rendering, as we all knew, the original article and complete thread a load of shi*t

[eduardo_b]

Oh, so you like Word?

It's not about liking but rather using the standards that people tend to adopt because that's what's commonly available, works well and allows the easy exchange of documents.

And I would counter that I have NO experience with the program "working well." ever. easy exchange of documents? to an extent I guess... if you consider that I still have to ask for a PDF 1/2 of the time because the idiots using the program have no idea how to save a file properly. just encountered it yesterday, would have saved an hour of f-ing around if the guy had just sent a PDF (MY industry standard.)

Fwiw, at one time a Mac was considered a "standard" by "professionals" in "the industry." Standards change, let the dinosaur die, people, ffs, use PDF's, word docs suck and will make your printer hate you.

It doesn't matter about the idiots. They're everywhere, and no amount of coding will change that.

Taking into consideration that the more sophisticated the user's needs the more they have to learn about any application, the industry standards work very well, be it Word or Acrobat...or Cubase or... The issues are typically trying to make these applications be something they're not.

The printing industry has always been a hotbed for issues with standards and their use and application. The PDF is now an industry standard, but it wasn't always that way. TIF files were a standard long before that, but there were always people who managed to screw those up, even on Macs.

[eduardo_b]

Ah, the Mac users are making themselves feel better by pretending the ipad will make a great replacement, how quaint

no, they aren't....they can't be a replacement thus rendering, as we all knew, the original article and complete thread a load of shi*t

[debra1rlo]

Oh, so you like Word?

It's not about liking but rather using the standards that people tend to adopt because that's what's commonly available, works well and allows the easy exchange of documents.

And I would counter that I have NO experience with the program "working well." ever. easy exchange of documents? to an extent I guess... if you consider that I still have to ask for a PDF 1/2 of the time because the idiots using the program have no idea how to save a file properly. just encountered it yesterday, would have saved an hour of f-ing around if the guy had just sent a PDF (MY industry standard.)

Fwiw, at one time a Mac was considered a "standard" by "professionals" in "the industry." Standards change, let the dinosaur die, people, ffs, use PDF's, word docs suck and will make your printer hate you.

It doesn't matter about the idiots. They're everywhere, and no amount of coding will change that.

Taking into consideration that the more sophisticated the user's needs the more they have to learn about any application, the industry standards work very well, be it Word or Acrobat...or Cubase or... The issues are typically trying to make these applications be something they're not.

The printing industry has always been a hotbed for issues with standards and their use and application. The PDF is now an industry standard, but it wasn't always that way. TIF files were a standard long before that, but there were always people who managed to screw those up, even on Macs.

The idiots = the average user... these people transcend platforms, I know so many people on PCs that can't attach a file to an email or download an attachment. They are everywhere, not just "the other side of the argument."

err. TIF? standard? hmmm... maybe for certain types of images in magazines, but said magazines that I dealt with would always take eps or tif. or postscript if you wanted to be absolutely safe (and had a CD burner as the resulting image would likely be to large to email.)

[hibidy]

Ahhhhhh, I see my little darling is alive and kicking today........

[eduardo_b]

The idiots = the average user... these people transcend platforms, I know so many people on PCs that can't attach a file to an email or download an attachment. They are everywhere, not just "the other side of the argument."

Yeah, I run into these people regularly. It's like driving. Despite the simplicity of the exercise and the number of people who engage in this activity, there's an appalling percentage who are not good at it...barely marginally competent. So e-mail attachments would seem even more challenging.

err. TIF? standard? hmmm... maybe for certain types of images in magazines, but said magazines that I dealt with would always take eps or tif. or postscript if you wanted to be absolutely safe (and had a CD burner as the resulting image would likely be to large to email.)

Sorry, I was referring to images, not pages.

[eduardo_b]

Ahhhhhh, I see my little darling is alive and kicking today........

Which one?

[Stupid American Pig]

[Stupid American Pig]

[jupiter8]

It is kind of obvious how Jobs would say the stationary computer is dead if you have read his history.

He wanted to be part of the Lisa team because that was the "in" thing at that moment at Apple. When he was denied that and put on the much less interesting Macintosh project. He carried on telling everyone on the team how the Macintosh would be the next great thing not even stopping at making fun of the old stuffy bastards at the Apple II division (who were the only ones making money at that time and good money at that) and how they were going to pwn the Lisa team.
The thing was the Lisa project had the highest priority but he could care less. His team was going to "win" and that was the end of it.

Now his latest puppy is the iPad.History is repeating itself.