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mobu · Post by **mobu** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:43 am

Hey KVRers! I just recorded a really nice guitar riff but when I was playing it along with a beat that I made, the riff seemed just a tad off tempo. How should I fix that and make the riff more tight to the metronome?

futurefields · Post by **futurefields** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:09 pm

Practice and do it over.

dgkenney · Post by **dgkenney** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:28 pm

If you were in Pro Tools you would use elastic audio. I am sure that there are other things like elastic audio in other hosts such as audiosnap (I think that's what it is called) in Sonar.

Just don't get Hink and KoolKeys stirred up by how it's done in Samplitude

Dan

The Fex · Post by **The Fex** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:46 pm

Hard to say without hearing it. I'd probably either do it over, repeatedly, and comp if necessary, or fix it with Melodyne.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:02 am

futurefields wrote:Practice and do it over.

+∞

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:27 am

Provided a track is just as good as it gets, use an audio editor to time-align things. Use it to delete portions that push the note late and possibly some copy and paste with smoothing to push the note back. Results can vary but some sounds are just more friendly to this kind of operation.

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:32 am

It all comes down to your personal ethics. Either:

A) Do it over (practice does make perfect)

B) Fix it

Whichever bothers you teh leasts

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:37 pm

dgkenney wrote:Just don't get Hink and KoolKeys stirred up by how it's done in Samplitude

hehe... I use Audio Quantizing in Samplitude for locking in guitar solos.
I also use Take Composer for grabbing select sections of a solo and merging them all together into one master take.

Works like a charm.

Greg

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:45 pm

futurefields wrote:Practice and do it over.

This seems like the only way to go.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:07 pm

jancivil wrote:
futurefields wrote:Practice and do it over.
+∞

x ∞ ... it's quicker and easier to redo it properly.

Goose8-) · Post by **Goose8-)** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:10 pm

I also agree with the practice part. What would be helpful also is to listen to the beat while playing the guitar riff( Obviously with earphones ). Record from the beginning but start the riff by playng it simplified. At the beginning of each measure or however long one part of your riff is, add more complexity until you have what you want and record a few more measures. Afterwards, listen to it and cut and paste the parts you are happy with.

By the way, I don't play guitar( wish I could ) but I'm pretty sure that it would work just as good as it does for me with the keyboard.

Hope it will work for you

Regards Goose

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:25 am

If the soundcard has a big latency (read: onboard sound, no ASIO driver) then it's very possible that all you need to do is put the guitar track back in time like 10 or 50 ms, to align it again with the beat.

dubbelQ · Post by **dubbelQ** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:00 pm

mauseoleum wrote:
futurefields wrote:Practice and do it over.
This seems like the only way to go.

Yes. I have played guitar for years but still I dont record before I have practiced the riff at least a couple of times and make sure the whole riff is perfect for that track. And if you record through your soundcard, it takes less time to record it again than messing with edit, cut and paste, cut and past, cut and past, yawn. That is so boring and takes away the creativity too.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:38 pm

Off tempo would imply a completely different problem IE the song is 120 bpm and the riff 118. Assuming that isn't the case and it just lacks tight timing it depends. Saying practice and redo is the only option is a bit closeminded if you ask me. And it depends on the genre and personal estetics. Could be what the song "needs" is a slightly synthetic sounding tighter than humanly possible guitars. And what is your goal ? If you're as good as me playing guitar (about as bad as one can get) and you want to have something similar to Rammstein it would take years of practice or about an hour of editing (if that). And i assume in some genres the "machine perfect" sound IS the preferred option.

Take Dimmu Borgir for example. The drumming sounds more like a machine than a human because of sample replacing and quantizing. It's supposed to sound like that.

andrewlsummer · Post by **andrewlsummer** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:30 am

To misquote vstjunkie I'd suggest:
A) Do it over (practice makes perfect)
B) Do it over (practice makes perfect)
Because it might save you development time if you ever plan to make another track on a future project

Quantizing Guitar Riff