go to tyros 3 or motif XS official site and here the demos. you will hear the very huge difference. In Halion Sonic demos there are no super articulation voices at all, maybe some Mega and Sweet voices which are included in low cost keyboards. Great acoustic sounds with amazing articulations are definitely missingbobbybland wrote:I'm not so sure I'd call it quits yet,they wouldn't have sold us a Halion One module here,and thats what Halion One was a teaser for this. If you look closely to the Halion Sonic Video 2 , you will see a picture of the XS, this most likely means there will be XS sounds in there,or alike,perhaps some new fresher,or better ones. Yamaha knows what it'll take to sell this plugin.I would wager to say by the demo's they are in there.poshook wrote:after demo listening, there are a lot of old yamaha sounds from older yamaha synths. probably all acoustic sounds seem to be from old motif and we can find them in today's low cost yamaha keyboards for $200. synths are fine but nothing special and also old. for me second hand library by yamaha. really high quality sounds stayed in current yamaha hardware (motif XS, Tyros 3)...
As far as Tyros sounds,what makes them sound so good,is the programming.With Vst expression,many things are possible.I'd take that to heart,knowing YOU can possible recreate that Tyros sound,and have it in a plugin. It may take a little work though,sounds cool to me..
Either way I'd give it a chance,before I knock'em down. The filters alone look like it's gonna be a cut above.I'm sure once people get it,they will post their honest feelings. As a Motif owner since the first one,I can easily spot the patch quality,so I for sure will post,but to me they sound great so far.
And besides one patch doesn't make a song.
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 31 Aug, 2004
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- KVRian
- 1172 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
Why is everyone mentioning Kontakt 4, this has nothing to do with Kontakt?
The true competitors to Halion Sonic are Spectraonics Omnisphere and Camel Audio Alchemy. Compared to those, this seems very mediocre. I can't find even one standout feature and the demos sound very, very ordinary.
The true competitors to Halion Sonic are Spectraonics Omnisphere and Camel Audio Alchemy. Compared to those, this seems very mediocre. I can't find even one standout feature and the demos sound very, very ordinary.
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- KVRian
- 828 posts since 6 Feb, 2004
halion sonic is a rompler...Liero wrote:Why is everyone mentioning Kontakt 4, this has nothing to do with Kontakt?
The true competitors to Halion Sonic are Spectraonics Omnisphere and Camel Audio Alchemy. Compared to those, this seems very mediocre. I can't find even one standout feature and the demos sound very, very ordinary.
omnisphere and alchemy are specialized instruments...
two different things..
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- KVRian
- 1068 posts since 25 Jul, 2007 from Calgary
uh oh, here we go- let the bashing begin. I bet it sounds better on a Mac though hahahaha.
Quite expensive it appears compared to other packages. But don't you need a USB key for it- blah!
Quite expensive it appears compared to other packages. But don't you need a USB key for it- blah!
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- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 2 Jan, 2004 from England
The major difference between HS and wusik is in the arps. As I see it, no other workstation has taken the same approach as the big hardware workstations...
What the XS allows you to do is that two hands can create entire tracks, with drums, rhythm strums [with chord recognition] and a bass on your left hand, and a lead or keys on your right. OK, it might not cut it for tracking and sequencing, but for noodling and for just playing, the sequencer environment doesn't encourage this.
Sometimes I don't want to build up a song layer by layer - I just want to play, and make it sound like a band. You can do this on an XS or a Tyros or a Fantom or a Triton or an M3. You can do this on a simple home keyboard. Up until Halion Sonic, the nearest thing to a hardware workstation was Sonar's user arps.
It's about time computers finally one-upped hardware on its last supremacy - the player's workstation. The raw horsepower is there, the MIDI data's still the same tiny packages it's always been... all that was missing was the workstation-like scripting that turns a left hand chord into a backing section... you know, just like you've been able to do for 20 years on any cheap Yamaha PSR.
So, if anyone's able, could someone tell me how Halion Sonic's Flexphraser arps compare to the Motif/Fantom/Triton/PSR series? Somebody, somewhere, must know something!
What the XS allows you to do is that two hands can create entire tracks, with drums, rhythm strums [with chord recognition] and a bass on your left hand, and a lead or keys on your right. OK, it might not cut it for tracking and sequencing, but for noodling and for just playing, the sequencer environment doesn't encourage this.
Sometimes I don't want to build up a song layer by layer - I just want to play, and make it sound like a band. You can do this on an XS or a Tyros or a Fantom or a Triton or an M3. You can do this on a simple home keyboard. Up until Halion Sonic, the nearest thing to a hardware workstation was Sonar's user arps.
It's about time computers finally one-upped hardware on its last supremacy - the player's workstation. The raw horsepower is there, the MIDI data's still the same tiny packages it's always been... all that was missing was the workstation-like scripting that turns a left hand chord into a backing section... you know, just like you've been able to do for 20 years on any cheap Yamaha PSR.
So, if anyone's able, could someone tell me how Halion Sonic's Flexphraser arps compare to the Motif/Fantom/Triton/PSR series? Somebody, somewhere, must know something!
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- KVRAF
- 8238 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
danbroad wrote: Somebody, somewhere, must know something!
We do Brother, we do.
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- KVRist
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- 435 posts since 6 May, 2004 from Land of a million drums
Omnisphere and Alchemy are much different products.Liero wrote:Why is everyone mentioning Kontakt 4, this has nothing to do with Kontakt?
The true competitors to Halion Sonic are Spectraonics Omnisphere and Camel Audio Alchemy. Compared to those, this seems very mediocre. I can't find even one standout feature and the demos sound very, very ordinary.
I would compare it to Hypersonic (obviously), VI.ONE, Sampletank, Dimension Pro, Plugsound Pro, Goliath.
It's not a sampler, it's a virtual replacement for a hardware keyboard like the motif or triton.
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- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
The sounds in VI ONE, Sampletank and Dimension Pro are pretty weak, light year apart from what you would get in a hardware workstation.
Goliath sounds good, but still doesn't totally capture the vibe of a classic workstation. It seems to be too 'realistic' sounding if that makes sense.
Plugsound Pro sounds like it would be closest to a true workstation and for $99 I'm tempted but not sure if the freedom is there compared to something like Hypersonic.
Hypersonic originally nailed it, but it isn't available anymore. I'm definitely not impressed by the sound demos for Halion Sonic, so I'll see what the first users that get it say.
Goliath sounds good, but still doesn't totally capture the vibe of a classic workstation. It seems to be too 'realistic' sounding if that makes sense.
Plugsound Pro sounds like it would be closest to a true workstation and for $99 I'm tempted but not sure if the freedom is there compared to something like Hypersonic.
Hypersonic originally nailed it, but it isn't available anymore. I'm definitely not impressed by the sound demos for Halion Sonic, so I'll see what the first users that get it say.
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- KVRian
- 1172 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
WTF is a "specialized instrument"? There is nothing specialized about Omnisphere, the very name conveys that it is an all-around workstation tool that tries to do supply tools for everything.neverenoughfunk wrote:halion sonic is a rompler...Liero wrote:Why is everyone mentioning Kontakt 4, this has nothing to do with Kontakt?
The true competitors to Halion Sonic are Spectraonics Omnisphere and Camel Audio Alchemy. Compared to those, this seems very mediocre. I can't find even one standout feature and the demos sound very, very ordinary.
omnisphere and alchemy are specialized instruments...
two different things..
Ominsphere and Alchemy are both romplers. They are other VA's too, just like Halion Sonic. What exactly is so different about them?
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- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
They both don't offer traditional sounds, but they could... Eric already said Omnisphere won't and I haven't asked on Alchemy.Liero wrote:Ominsphere and Alchemy are both romplers. They are other VA's too, just like Halion Sonic. What exactly is so different about them?
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- KVRian
- 1172 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
It seems like you have no idea what you're talking about. I can't come up with a single basic instrument or sound I couldn't find in omnisphere, the library is packed with bread'n'butter guitars, strings, choirs, synths and whatever you can throw a stick at. You're clinging on to marketing talk meant to portray the software as more extraordinary than it really is.djanthonyw wrote:They both don't offer traditional sounds, but they could... Eric already said Omnisphere won't and I haven't asked on Alchemy.Liero wrote:Ominsphere and Alchemy are both romplers. They are other VA's too, just like Halion Sonic. What exactly is so different about them?
I'm not saying Halion Sonic and Omni are identical, I'm saying it's more natural compare the two because they have the same feature set (and same price range btw) which Kontakt 4 and Sonic IMO do not. Both Omni and Sonic are Rompler/VA's with an effects rack and arp thing thrown in, period.
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- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Really? Then please show me where traditional workstation brass such as this exists in Omnisphere or Alchemy...Liero wrote:It seems like you have no idea what you're talking about.
I'll save you the time searching for it... it doesn't exist, but then again I don't know what I'm talking about.
I had Omnisphere and sold it a while back. Looks like my search comes down to two options, Plugsound Pro or Halion Sonic.
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- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 2 Jan, 2004 from England
unless you throw a stick at a trumpet, or saxophone, or orchestral flute, or jazz drum kit, or...Liero wrote:guitars, strings, choirs, synths and whatever you can throw a stick at.
sorry liero, but it's you that needs the clarification, although I'm sure your intentions are good. Omnisphere is amazing, but I'd consider it a 'synth' sounds workstation - covering every type of synthetic musical source. The choirs and guitars are superb - possibly my favourite of any synth - but they're additions from the wonderful Spectrasonics back catalogue.
HS covers similar ground to the classical workstations, with classical instruments. It, like Kontakt and Omnisphere, has its basis in ROM samples. Like Omnisphere, it has a dedicated synthesis generator. But unlike all other software synths, the 'arps' refer to generated phrases in keeping with the instrument concerned, rather than simpler MIDI patterns.
There' a place for both. Nobody will force you to buy it if you feel omnisphere covers your bases.
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