Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor

[sunhome]

Thanks for the extra evaluation time. I emailed you about an extension so this should work out, nicely.

Regards, James

[everythinglouder]

Big fan of The Glue here, especially the 1.0.16 update. I tried it out against my SSL clone and quite honestly, couldn't hear a measurable difference.

[Perry Grinn]

It is based on a very famous mix bus compressor by a British company (if you read the article you will get a hint)

No offense but I hate when they say that. It is the same thing that all SSL clones mfr. say, from Alan Smart to GSSL...

I am sure it is a great compressor + I'm a likely candidate for a not-to-far-off buy, as long as its stable, I'm just saying... I hate when companies say that bit about it being based on 'a very famous mix buss compressor'. Sorry again, no offense.

-Perry

[5Lives]

Well, it is modeled after an SSL (also known as a very famous master buss compressor by a British company - no arguing that) with some unique twists. Cytomic can't legally use the name SSL (same as all the other SSL clones apart from Waves).

Just don't understand why you "hate" that.

[aciddose]

they can legally say it's similar to SSL or that it was designed specifically to function similarly to SSL in their opinion without any issues.

i could also say my plugin "X" replaces "Y"'s "Z" plugin in functionality but adds several features in addition to that without any issue as well. i just couldn't say that my plugin is endorsed by "Y", it IS "Z", or try to confuse the customer into thinking that without saying it.

the issues here are trademark law and case law related to "look and feel" and other aspects related to trademark.

never has there been a case where one company was sued by another for open competition and in fact in the past companies were far more confrontational about their marketing.

an AD from the 50s might say "don't buy X brand blah, X brand's blah doesn't have the Y that our Z brand blah has, try it for yourself! - all new Z brand blah from W corp"

[Perry Grinn]

never has there been a case where one company was sued by another for open competition and in fact in the past companies were far more confrontational about their marketing.

That is my point, because the intent and purpose is no longer concealed and now the device will have to live up to an open comparison/competition with a particular product. Its very different... saying, My GSSL sounds like an SSL G but with two extra features which make it better than an SSL G which is why you should buy it.

[Perry Grinn]

Is it a double sampled processor? I have a hybrid setup with BLAs PM8 > Mytek 2 channel ADC > BLA/Digi 003 via S/PDIF. On input I'm looking a soft-compression on occasion, so I need a double sampled processor like PSPs FAT... does the Cytomic SSL clone have this?

[andy-cytomic]

It is based on a very famous mix bus compressor by a British company (if you read the article you will get a hint)

No offense but I hate when they say that. It is the same thing that all SSL clones mfr. say, from Alan Smart to GSSL...

I am sure it is a great compressor + I'm a likely candidate for a not-to-far-off buy, as long as its stable, I'm just saying... I hate when companies say that bit about it being based on 'a very famous mix buss compressor'. Sorry again, no offense.

-Perry

Hi Perry, I was asked directly by SSL to remove all there name and trademarks from my web page and any marketing, but that phrases like "famous British mix bus compressor" was fine.

they can legally say it's similar to SSL or that it was designed specifically to function similarly to SSL in their opinion without any issues.

Well if you are a lawyer willing to guarantee a victory to me when SSL sue me then I still wouldn't do it. I prefer to get along and be friendly when companies make reasonable requests to me, the audio industry is too small for antagonistic behaviour.

[andy-cytomic]

never has there been a case where one company was sued by another for open competition and in fact in the past companies were far more confrontational about their marketing.

That is my point, because the intent and purpose is no longer concealed and now the device will have to live up to an open comparison/competition with a particular product. Its very different... saying, My GSSL sounds like an SSL G but with two extra features which make it better than an SSL G which is why you should buy it.

I'm quite happy to go head to head in any comparison tests against analog hardware. In fact I've actually already made the first round of audio examples comparing The Glue to the SSL XLogic G-Series compressor, and there are more to come. Sorry for those that have already seen this link I posted a short while back. This was done with the settings: attack 0.1 mS, release 0.1 S, ratio 10, grain reduction rms needle peaking at -18 dB. The Glue also was set to: Sidechain HP Off, Range Full, Mix 100%:

http://www.cytomic.com/files/the-glue-drums-ab-wavs.zip

[andy-cytomic]

Is it a double sampled processor? I have a hybrid setup with BLAs PM8 > Mytek 2 channel ADC > BLA/Digi 003 via S/PDIF. On input I'm looking a soft-compression on occasion, so I need a double sampled processor like PSPs FAT... does the Cytomic SSL clone have this?

Do you mean oversampled two times? If so then currently The Glue does not oversample. This feature will be added as a free update to all customers in the near future.

[Perry Grinn]

Do you mean oversampled...? If so then currently The Glue does not oversample. This feature will be added as a free update to all customers in the near future.

Yes. OK. Great, thank you.

[aciddose]

well, FUD always wins.

you obviously can't use their logo or represent that you are related to them in any way, nor can you say that the plugin IS one of their products or allow any confusion that it may be.

the best way to deal with legal threats is to ignore them, generally, or say something like "we refer you to this notice posted by our legal department: http://xhip.cjb.net/legal.txt " if you must to ensure that a lawyer on their side actually looks at the transgressions and issues a real notice rather than a FUD mail.

however obviously FUD wins in your case since you're not willing to even allow the most remote possibility of being sued.

in which case, please stop selling the plugin since i've patented it.

[pheeleep]

151 pages

I've been hearing the glue this.. the glue that..

Ok time to try the demo Downloading now...

Why is this considered a "mastering" Compressor? Do you guys use it on inserts as well? Never tried a filter sidechain on a compressor before. What's that all about? I'm familiar with the "pumping" effect sidechain, not this. In what circumpstances would you want to use this sidechain? Does it only sound great on drums and bass or also vocals and other sources? What are some great benefits of the attack being able to go down as low as 0.1?

Lot's a questions.. hehe..

Thanks!

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

151 pages

I've been hearing the glue this.. the glue that..

Ok time to try the demo Downloading now...

Why is this considered a "mastering" Compressor? Do you guys use it on inserts as well? Never tried a filter sidechain on a compressor before. What's that all about? I'm familiar with the "pumping" effect sidechain, not this. In what circumpstances would you want to use this sidechain? Does it only sound great on drums and bass or also vocals and other sources? What are some great benefits of the attack being able to go down as low as 0.1?

Lot's a questions.. hehe..

Thanks!

Buss compressors were designed to work on drum busses, and mix busses. The SSL is a particularly famous example of one, known for keeping things punchy and snappy. But, it also sounds great on instruments. Bass guitars, kick drums, vocals, guitars, The Glue can do them all.

Now, the sidechain filter: all compressors have a sidechain. Some are internal (the audio passing into the compressor), some can be external (a kick drum fed in to duck a bass track for example). The Glue allows for both. The filter is meant to work as a HP filter and keep low frequencies out of the detector circuit in the side chain. Reason: really low frequencies can make compressors go a little screwy. For instance, a bass with a lot of sub content might be doing massive amounts of gain reduction due to a big bottom, when you just want some gentle leveling in the upper midrange. So in that scenario, you filter the bass out of the detector circuit, and now the mids and highs are dictating the amount of compression going on, instead of the tubby bottom end. So in effect, you're controlling what frequencies control the compression, and changing the compression characteristics. And you're not actually filtering out any bass, you're just removing it from the sidechain signal. Make sense?

[pheeleep]

I get it Thanks for explaining.