What is the difference between music and noise? [years-dead slappyfight revived]

[vurt]

The audience can choose to ignore it, or not

indeed, they dont however get to label it. thats the artists job.

Label it how?

dont be so disingenuous, the whole discussion has been about whether an audience gets to label music as noise.
if you are not being disingenuous, then i apologise but would like a smoke of what you are on.

[robogone]

The audience can choose to ignore it, or not

indeed, they dont however get to label it. thats the artists job.

Label it how?

[robogone]

The audience can choose to ignore it, or not

indeed, they dont however get to label it. thats the artists job.

Label it how?

dont be so disingenuous, the whole discussion has been about whether an audience gets to label music as noise.
if you are not being disingenuous, then i apologise but would like a smoke of what you are on.

One of these I'd guess:

[vurt]

plus most "black metal" gigs ive been too, the audience seemed to be following and enjoying the musicality of said "audio output".
so im not sure your point makes sense.

Let's put it this way. The further afield from mainstream that music is -- including experimental music -- the more likely that more people will consider it noise, not music...even though it's classified as music. It's an emotional reaction to what they don't understand or don't like.

i would also argue against this point as the "majority" of people on the "planet" are not going to have "western" ears, the chances are you could play lady gaga somewhere in the middle east and get a similar response to playing napalm death in a nunnery round here somewhere.

[mauseoleum]

Loads of pretentious BS here !!!!!! (!!!!!!!!!) !!!!

Back to the OP, back on topic:

What is the difference between music and noise?

The difference is staggeringly simple.
a) You want to turn the music UP.
b) You want to turn the noise DOWN.

So simple. Absolutely no intellectualism(s) needed. Just a volume knob.



A true litmus test for the music vs. noise. A true indicator of MsN ratio (Music-to-Noise ratio).

[whyterabbyt]

Let's put it this way. The further afield from mainstream that music is -- including experimental music -- the more likely that more people will consider it noise, not music...even though it's classified as music. It's an emotional reaction to what they don't understand or don't like.

Lets not put it that way. Plenty of music has been categorised as 'noise' without having any significant musical difference from some other 'mainstream music.' Nothing more than volume has been enough to merit the application of the term. Its not a reaction to what isnt liked, its a reaction to the difference from what is liked.

[eduardo_b]

plus most "black metal" gigs ive been too, the audience seemed to be following and enjoying the musicality of said "audio output".
so im not sure your point makes sense.

Let's put it this way. The further afield from mainstream that music is -- including experimental music -- the more likely that more people will consider it noise, not music...even though it's classified as music. It's an emotional reaction to what they don't understand or don't like.

but its still "music" if that was the artists intent.
i dont care if the majoity say red is blue, it doesnt make it so.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the audience's reaction -- it's noise, it's music -- ultimately dictates what it's perceived as regardless of the musician's intentions. The audience understands that it's "music" but may perceive it to be unmusical (and thus more closely aligned with "noise").

[Arksun]

Music: do de do de do de doo
Noise: asdog aougheragurewujbjnbjlfd bv089gu 8924to hgv9a3wgodf7ed
Bass Fish: mmmmmmm

Arksun (most serious post since 2009)

[whyterabbyt]

What is the difference between music and noise?

The difference is staggeringly simple.
a) You want to turn the music UP.
b) You want to turn the noise DOWN.

So simple. Absolutely no intellectualism(s) needed. Just a volume knob.

Ha! ha! I dont have a volume knob.



At different points in time, I can want to turn the same audio output up or down. Is it your contention that the difference is arbitrary and transient?

[robogone]

the audience's reaction -- it's noise, it's music -- ultimately dictates what it's perceived as

No, the individual's decision dictates what the individual perceives it as. Any audience reaction tells you nothing other than general like or dislike which has nothing to do with perception as music or noise.

[eduardo_b]

The audience can choose to ignore it, or not

indeed, they dont however get to label it. thats the artists job.

Label it how?

dont be so disingenuous, the whole discussion has been about whether an audience gets to label music as noise.
if you are not being disingenuous, then i apologise but would like a smoke of what you are on.

I wasn't thinking of "label" in terms of music versus noise. I don't think it's been used prior to this and actually thought it was in reference to something I had missed.

[eduardo_b]

the audience's reaction -- it's noise, it's music -- ultimately dictates what it's perceived as

No, the individual's decision dictates what the individual perceives it as. Any audience reaction tells you nothing other than general like or dislike which has nothing to do with perception as music or noise.

Isn't the very reaction of the audience linked to 1) it's music but I don't like it or 2) it's noise and I really don't like it?

[mauseoleum]

Ha! ha! I dont have a volume knob.
... brag ... brag ...

Mannn... youre weird..

How can you make it loud without having one?

[vurt]

Ha! ha! I dont have a volume knob.
... brag ... brag ...

Mannn... youre weird..

How can you make it loud without having one?

its already as loud as loud can be.

[vurt]

Loads of pretentious BS here !!!!!! (!!!!!!!!!) !!!!

that may well be so, but it helps to fill out assignments