Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor

[skank]

I feel like I'm missing out on the party here.. I think I am gonna get this..

The thread is a bit unwieldy though ( but that can't be helped I guess because of it's popularity )

Anyway is the 'version difference' thing sorted? I remember a while back someone commenting the version sounded different

( everythinglouder mentioned 1.0.16 )

[futurefields]

how does the glue maintain lower aliasing than waves ssl without oversampling

[michu]

The Glue doesn't model any nonlinearities of the analogue hardware, which is where most aliasing would come from. in a compressor harmonic generation is minimal. Andy already stated a couple of times that The Glue upsamples sidechain for calculation of the attack phase of process. Oversampling means (apart from CPU overhead) that either phase of the signal will be messed up in the upper band or the process will generate latency. So, for me, asking for a processor that is most transparent, has no latency and uses oversampling is a bit mutually exclusive
Oversampling may be of use if one uses shortest available attack times with a lot of gain reduction going on and is obsessive-compulsive about removing any traces of aliasing.
the fact that Andy is willing to add the feature shows his dedication to making the ultimate emulation of a "famous british buss compressor"

[andy-cytomic]

how does the glue maintain lower aliasing than waves ssl without oversampling

I have no idea about the dsp that waves use, so I cannot comment on this. I do high quality analog models based on the same circuit mathematics used in simulation programs like spice and qucs, but optimised for speed and frequency accuracy. I am not specifically doing any anti-aliasing other than what is built into the physics of the components involved. I will be adding an oversampling option to The Glue which will help reduce aliasing further for fast attack and release times.

[andy-cytomic]

The Glue doesn't model any nonlinearities of the analogue hardware, which is where most aliasing would come from. in a compressor harmonic generation is minimal. ...

Hey Michu! Thanks for chipping in, just a minor clarification: The Glue models the sidechain non-linearities, but not any in the main signal path, apart from what is caused by the reduction voltage. For fast attack and release times and high ratios the harmonics generated by the compressor become large enough to be of concern. This is why I will add high quality optional oversampling. I'll post some plots later today to show the improvement in initial tests of the oversampling.

[mr jkn]

I feel like I'm missing out on the party here.. I think I am gonna get this..

The thread is a bit unwieldy though ( but that can't be helped I guess because of it's popularity )

Anyway is the 'version difference' thing sorted? I remember a while back someone commenting the version sounded different

( everythinglouder mentioned 1.0.16 )

There is a slight sublime audible difference (imo) between .15 and .16 and I've demoed them both. The .16 made me part with my cash. It is the best plugin bus compressor I've ever heard, but works great on just everything. The bad thing is I can't blame my bad mixes on less than stellar plugins from now on.

A tip on settings: I usually start out the mix with nothing on the 2bus, and when I reached stage when I think the mix starts to come together, I slam the Glue on the bus. I've come to the conclusion that a little goes a long way, just letting Glue reduce the gain around 2 db. (For a pop/rock mix my settings are 4:1 ratio, 10 ms attack, 200-400 ms release, letting everything under 120 hz or so stay uncompressed. Oh, and about 60 on the range knob.)

Well, whatever..

[michu]

Hey Andy
i knew i'd forget something and you'll clarify it
as i've said oversampling may be of use in extreme cases, tho' in something as versatile as The Glue in no way i'd want it hardwired

@mr jkn
for the application you describe i could be worth to try range between 10 and 20 dB depending on the material. the compressor then lets the transients thru intact while adding some levelling, coherence and the glue
of course your millage may vary

[andy-cytomic]

There is a slight sublime audible difference (imo) between .15 and .16 and I've demoed them both. The .16 made me part with my cash. It is the best plugin bus compressor I've ever heard, but works great on just everything. The bad thing is I can't blame my bad mixes on less than stellar plugins from now on.

Thanks for picking up a copy

A tip on settings: I usually start out the mix with nothing on the 2bus, and when I reached stage when I think the mix starts to come together, I slam the Glue on the bus. I've come to the conclusion that a little goes a long way, just letting Glue reduce the gain around 2 db. (For a pop/rock mix my settings are 4:1 ratio, 10 ms attack, 200-400 ms release, letting everything under 120 hz or so stay uncompressed. Oh, and about 60 on the range knob.)

Well, whatever..

Sounds like an excellent mix buss setting Also try clicking on the vu meter to toggle the peak needle so you know exactly the maximum compression being applied.

[mr jkn]

Didn't know about the vu-meter, Andy. Will try.
Once again, amazed that this gem sounds so smooth and euphonic with such a little cpu-usage. Superb for us with 2 year old laptops! Great work!

[skank]

I feel like I'm missing out on the party here.. I think I am gonna get this..

The thread is a bit unwieldy though ( but that can't be helped I guess because of it's popularity )

Anyway is the 'version difference' thing sorted? I remember a while back someone commenting the version sounded different

( everythinglouder mentioned 1.0.16 )

There is a slight sublime audible difference (imo) between .15 and .16 and I've demoed them both. The .16 made me part with my cash. It is the best plugin bus compressor I've ever heard, but works great on just everything. The bad thing is I can't blame my bad mixes on less than stellar plugins from now on.

A tip on settings: I usually start out the mix with nothing on the 2bus, and when I reached stage when I think the mix starts to come together, I slam the Glue on the bus. I've come to the conclusion that a little goes a long way, just letting Glue reduce the gain around 2 db. (For a pop/rock mix my settings are 4:1 ratio, 10 ms attack, 200-400 ms release, letting everything under 120 hz or so stay uncompressed. Oh, and about 60 on the range knob.)

Well, whatever..

Thanks dude

/Skank

[andy-cytomic]

News: I've updated v1.0.16

* fixed: auto update of settings from v1.0.15 and before and match the threshold
* new: improved auto release with lower cpu and lower aliasing
* new: added support for OS 10.4 back again for non 64-bit builds. The 64-bit AU still requires OS 10.5

This is now available from everyones accounts, and the Trial version is also available from:

www.cytomic.com/glue

[bodan]

i've tried to insert the glue as a vst in wavelab six (windows xp), nothing happens, the mousepointer changes its shape and i have to restart wavelab, because i can't do anything with my mouse or keyboard inside of wavelab.
bodan

[andy-cytomic]

i've tried to insert the glue as a vst in wavelab six (windows xp), nothing happens, the mousepointer changes its shape and i have to restart wavelab, because i can't do anything with my mouse or keyboard inside of wavelab.
bodan

Thanks for the bug report. Can you please email me a little more version information? The short list of useful numbers and the contact email address are here:
www.cytomic.com/contact

Thanks!

[kameton]

Hello to all and hello Andy! I think your compressor is the greatest one among the plugs however i have a complaint. You shouldnot update 1.0.16 to.........1.0.16. Im really confused now because sound is not the same. To me now it sounds more like 1.0.15. something with the tone or attack or whatever , i can feel it. are you sure you didnot change anything else and im having hallucinations?

[SteveBurley2000]

Hi Andy

I installed the latest 32 bit and 64 bit versions of The Glue last night.

The 32 bit works fine, but I can't change any of the settings or select the preset menu on the 64 bit version.

I'm on an i7 PC with 4Gb RAM and using Cubase 5.5 on Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.

Regards

Steve