Chaotic Music Maker first version released

[DenisLiganov]

However crtl+drag is the absolute convention with sequencers - I don't know any other exception and I don't think it ought be broken.

I have FL and it behaves in the same way - cloning on Shift+drag and selecting on Ctrl+drag. This is what I based on, since I'm an old FL user, although if all other sequencers in some other standardized way, I could review my design. Need to check this.

[jens]

Ah, o.k. so it was Gol - that figures (but to be fair: FL is very old, so perhaps back then there was not really a standard) - FL is one of the few sequencers I do not have any experience with.


What I can say however is:

-Cakewalk (P5, Sonar, etc.): crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso

-Reaper: crtl+drag = copy ; right click without modifier = lasso*

-Samplitude: crtl+drag = copy ; left and right click without modifier = lasso

-eXT/XT2: crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso

-Podium: crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso

-Mu.Lab: crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso


I'm fairly sure with both Cubase and Logic it's more or less the same.





*broken standard: many new Reaper user stumble over it

[NAS]

I agree with jens here somewhat

There is a new version up by the way
First steps into MIDI support

NAS

[DenisLiganov]

Ah, o.k. so it was Gol - that figures (but to be fair: FL is very old, so perhaps back then there was not really a standard) - FL is one of the few sequencers I do not have any experience with.


What I can say however is:

-Cakewalk (P5, Sonar, etc.): crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso

-Reaper: crtl+drag = copy ; right click without modifier = lasso*

-Samplitude: crtl+drag = copy ; left and right click without modifier = lasso

-eXT/XT2: crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso

-Podium: crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso

-Mu.Lab: crtl+drag = copy ; left click without modifier = lasso


I'm fairly sure with both Cubase and Logic it's more or less the same.

Hmm, I think you're right and we can implement the same standard without any losses - even with advantages. Thanks for the suggestion!

[coops2]

Glad to see MIDI support is starting

MIDI support is essential for me and I would love to be able to trigger clips live kind of like in eXT1.4 or Phrazor but using Chaotic DAW's unique features so this is a good step forward.

Will be watching development over the next few weeks and seeing what direction it takes. Will probably jump on this just before the intro price runs out

[keel]

Hi

Downloaded and tested version 1.04.

To do

- Option to disable plugins to steal keyboard shortcut = really annoying
- Gui and gui colors need tune up. Sometimes it's hard to recognize anything
- That little green line, does it have to move everywhere i click? Annoying..
- Option to allow playback cursor to return start when i stop play. Now i need to set up it manually all time = takes time and its annoying
- Shortcut to toggle mixer ie; F3, tab etc..
- Mixer faders and levels view need to bigger (dunno if there is way to make they bigger)
- Numerial mixer volume peaking levels would be very nice
- Proper duplicate command ie, ctrl+D is pretty usually or simple D etc..
- VSTi replace. Currently if i want to replace, drag and drop new with old, it just makes new vsti
- sidechain support for your native compressor (ableton style, it is best and easiest)

Where is looping points? Where is cpu meter? I would change the draw notes to double click left mouse. Currently this one click to draw makes me "miss draw" all the time. Unnecessary notes. This way single click could bring up selection tool = all in one tool. Paint, delete, strech and selecet&move notes via one tool = fast. In cubase etc, you need to change tool all time = Annoying and it's take time.

I have loooots of bugs here. Sometimes whole song doesnt even play. Playing stop and play again, may fix it for little while. Some notes are like 100 bar long = notes hanging.

Some VSTi's doesnt even play ie; sylenth

Two or more vsti's don't always play together, ie; i have notes in playlist, the latest selected one is sometimes suddenly jump like solo mode is on. i.e some other synth just stop playing / reading notes. Totally random.

Heh, this is funny. I have two vsti's. one is bass, one pad. I paint notes for pad, its playing like 5 five first notes okay, then the rest of notes playing fine too, but the sound start to coming from bass synth wtf..?

Man, this has so many bugs.. Big bugs.. Weird bugs.. Most of them i attached vsti's and engine playing, or something. Peace.

[jens]

Hmm, I think you're right and we can implement the same standard without any losses - even with advantages. Thanks for the suggestion!

Cool!

[jens]

Hi



Man, this has so many bugs.. Big bugs.. Weird bugs.. Most of them i attached vsti's and engine playing, or something. Peace.

then I'd suggest you make dedicated bug reports - for best each with a reproducable step-by-step explanation on how to get the respective bug.

[siriusbliss]

I would recommend a new name for the product.
Music Maker has been taken

Greg

[NAS]

on the latest 1.04 download the name Music Maker has been dropped
It is just Chaotic for now

Keel please go to the forum and place each Bug in its own thread with reproducable steps
This would be very very helpful to the devs

NAS

[DenisLiganov]

- That little green line, does it have to move everywhere i click? Annoying..

This is the text cursor, similar to the one in MS Word or any other text editor and it's used to sequence patterns, for example. I'll investigate the question of its annoyance.

- Option to allow playback cursor to return start when i stop play. Now i need to set up it manually all time = takes time and its annoying

How did you stop playing? If you just release play button - it acts as pause, not as stop, but if you press stop button, it always returns to start of the song or to start of the pattern (both song and pattern editors have separate stop and play buttons).

Where is looping points? Where is cpu meter? I would change the draw notes to double click left mouse. Currently this one click to draw makes me "miss draw" all the time. Unnecessary notes. This way single click could bring up selection tool = all in one tool. Paint, delete, strech and selecet&move notes via one tool = fast. In cubase etc, you need to change tool all time = Annoying and it's take time.

Our pianoroll and step pattern editors are single-click based, although I think it's possible to add an option in preferences, to use double clicking.

I have loooots of bugs here. Sometimes whole song doesnt even play. Playing stop and play again, may fix it for little while. Some notes are like 100 bar long = notes hanging.

Some VSTi's doesnt even play ie; sylenth

Didn't you saved the project, where these problems happened? I'd be very glad to take a look since I can't reproduce all this myself currently.

Two or more vsti's don't always play together, ie; i have notes in playlist, the latest selected one is sometimes suddenly jump like solo mode is on. i.e some other synth just stop playing / reading notes. Totally random.

Heh, this is funny. I have two vsti's. one is bass, one pad. I paint notes for pad, its playing like 5 five first notes okay, then the rest of notes playing fine too, but the sound start to coming from bass synth wtf..?

Did you sequence notes in patterns or directly in playlist? If directly, then its possible, that you accidentally reassigned some notes from their initial "owner" synth to another with keyboard shortcut and this is not an issue - just need be aware of this shortcut and avoid unnecessary applying of it. But this is also my flaw - I didn't listed this particular shortcut in our shortcut helper window.

Man, this has so many bugs.. Big bugs.. Weird bugs.. Most of them i attached vsti's and engine playing, or something. Peace.

I noticed only three actually, considering the last issue is not a bug (or only four, considering it's a bug):

- Sometimes whole song doesnt even play;
- Some notes are like 100 bar long = notes hanging;
- Some VSTi's doesnt even play ie, sylenth;

What is far from being looots and "so many big and weird bugs" and pretty quickly fixable, once their exact reproducing scenario is detected. I'll try to hunt them down myself, but I'll also very much appreciate, if you or someone else will help and provide more info with maybe saved projects and names of used plugins.

[NAS]

If you downloaded 1.05 before today download it again
Has a small fix for the lost folders
Which caused a few issues here when i was loading the demo tunes


NAS

[hseiken]

This sequencer is definitely interesting. I haven't played a lot with it yet, but I like the ideas presented. I do wish, however, that samples loaded had 'automation bars' like velocity does in the piano roll for sampler 'effects' such as reverse, offset, etc. I like that you can program these in via commands on the note, but would be nice to have a visual representation and perhaps would make these things a bit more noticable to a new user. It took me some playing around to figure these things out.

Keep on with this. I will get a license when I have a couple of spare dollars. I like where it's going and the design mentality of the whole project.

A few requests:

Make it possible to switch patches per note trigger, at least with the internal synth. If it's possible now, I couldn't figure it out.

Semi-modular routing of signal would be a nice addition. The mixer is fine, but sometimes, it would be nice to combine effects in 'chaotic' ways.

Ability to edit sample inside of Chaotic would be great with ability to use internal effects to apply to sample as well, ala most trackers. It does wonders for my workflow when I don't have to switch to a sample editor to get what I need. I know some programs have 'auto-open-editor' for sample editing, but this doesn't 'flow' well, at least for me.

Render pattern to sample or render selection of sequencer to sample, etc. etc. I've used renoise for years and I can't tell you how invaluable this feature is. It's priceless.

That's about it. Really great start and I look forward to a full manual soon, as well so I know I'm not missing out on features that are already programmed in.

[Z3R0T0N1N]

truly excellent start here, I am very impressed. It seems to just invite playing and composition. Will keep an eye on this. I am overloaded with hosts right now, but I had to try it, it looks so interesting. I kind of wish I didn't already own 3 DAW softwares, it would make this an easier decision!

So, for the stability report:
fantastic. Not a glitch, not even a single millisecond of trouble. And I mucked about with it too, so if it was going to crash it would have. If only all programs with this rock solid and smooth!

[DenisLiganov]

A few requests:

Make it possible to switch patches per note trigger, at least with the internal synth. If it's possible now, I couldn't figure it out.

Semi-modular routing of signal would be a nice addition. The mixer is fine, but sometimes, it would be nice to combine effects in 'chaotic' ways. Smile

Not sure what do you mean by switching patches. Using certain note as a trigger to switch to certain patch or something else? What's the applicability of such a feature?