custom albino 3 preset crashes albino

[neekos]

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Greetings!

I have a preset for Albino 3.1 that I made which crashes albino whenever I load up the song in Cubase 5.1.1 (32 bit version) in Windows 7 64bit.


1. Load up song.
2. press play.
3. Song jumps and skips instead of playing fluidly and no sound comes out of Albino 3.

If I turn off the midi going to albino the song plays fluidly again.

I've remade the patch from scratch and the same behaviour is seen.. so now I'm thinking it is perhaps due to a certain combination of settings I'm using or some aspect of the automation configuration.

you can grab the file here if you would like to test it out: http://www.mediafire.com/?ylwoyho1may (http://www.mediafire.com/?ylwoyho1may)

n.b. I was playing with creating a basic patch for a noisia synth.. hence the filename.

Does anyone know what's going on with the synth/preset to make it crash/behave this way?

cheers

[Peter from LinPlug]

Yep, confirmed. I actually first thought I couldn't reproduce it as the patch loaded and played fine (though not exactly my taste ), but saving reloading the song showed this behaviour. Thank you, I'll investigate.

[Peter from LinPlug]

Its actually a nice bug, Cubase for some reason sends the first note of the song twice after loading the song, and Albino has some optimization that gets mad when getting the same note on exactly the same sample position twice. We'll include it in the next Albino update, probably soon. However, maybe Steinberg is even quicker with the next Cubase update.

[neekos]

Ah thanks Peter, I will pass that onto Steinberg if you haven't already.

Any idea why the bug is only seen with this patch?

[Peter from LinPlug]

It depends on various parameters e.g. the selected filter type, I'm sure it also happens with some other presets. Its however interesting that its the first time that it pops up. I've not reportet this to Steinberg.

[neekos]

Thanks Peter, I've pointed Steinberg to this thread..
From the info on their site the next update to cubase is likely to be at the end of June 2010.

[clipnotic]

Hello, I'm very happy to found this thread here.

I bought Albino 3 in January 2009 and all of the available extra soundbanks from the Linplug webside (Yemski, Bigtone, Ian Boddy, Landscape)

From the beginning I had / have crashes with Albino 3 like this:

1.
Host / FL Studio crashes if I load some of the BTAX sounds from one of the Bigtone soundbank

This crashes comes regular!

2.
Host / FL Studio crashes if I programm a sound myself start from the Diverse Sounds - z-initalize Patch and change the filter types

This crashes comes very irregular and I don't know how to explain, that you can reproduce them exactly - BUT THEY COME OFTEN ENOUGH - And a crash then means close the host and all done work was for nothing!

3.
Im Fl Studio 9.1 and Ableton 8.1.3 I get regular problems with some of the Yemski arp sounds. If I start / stop the sequencers, sometimes the sequence in Albino 3 lost its structure automatic and thats nothing about using LFOs ... but rather it sounds like the steps from the arpreggiator will move themself and that sounds then like mayhem. So with every new sequenzer start the structure change.

This comes regular with some of the Yemski sounds.


I wrote an email to LinPlug about problems with Albino 3 in august 2009 and got the answer, that because I have another problems with Predator and Subboombass, too (other Rob Papen synths) they are an indicator, that something must be strange with my system.

Fine, now I changed my system to this but exactly the same problems occur:

Intel Core i7 860
Gigabyte UD4
8 GB DDR3 Kingston RAM
Soundcard RME HDSPe AIO
Win 7 64 Bit

Focal Solo 6Be
M-Audio AXIOM 49

Hosts:

- FL Studio 9.1
which works perfect without 3rd Party plugs like Albino 3

- Melodyne Studio 3
which works perfect

- Sonar 8 - which works perfect

- Ableton 8.1.3 - I'm testing but it seems to work good

So my question is. Is this a strange system,too and if it is, which system should I buy to use Albino 3 like a working synth plugin?

I'm sorry for my method I write this here but after 16 month trouble with Albino 3 on 3 different pc systems with different OS, too and infinite posts in different forums to find the problems - it sucks! With all the soundbanks I paid more money as for Sonar 8 ... but in this condition from day one Albino 3 is useless and I feel overlooked from LinPlug!

When comes an update which fix this endless trouble ?

I often thought about to sell this software clutter but with the money I have to pay for a licence transfer, FOR EVERY SOUNDBANK, TOO - it is not worth to sell this on ebay.

Thank you for answer and sorry my english is not the best - I'm from germany

[Peter from LinPlug]

Clipnotic,
dont think what you experience is related to the original posters problem. I cannot remember to ever get a support mail of such case, but 14 month is a long time. Maybe you even contacted Rob Papen, which not involves us automatically.
Albino works in all major hosts, including FL Studio which still is my 80% development and testing environment, and its working for thousands of customers too. This not means its bug free, it can be under certain conditions something reveals which not shows for most others. We take any support request serious. I once agin loaded Albino in a test machine similar to the one you describe, also Win 7 / 64 and FL Studio 9.1 and loaded about 100 different BTAX presets and played them, switched while playing and so on and so on, no issue.
if you like I can send you latest internal Albino built from me, as sometimes as we find and fix bugs from other instruments and with other symptoms we also fix issues which previously looked strange (like this one ).

[clipnotic]

Hello and thank you for answer. It was an email from LinPlug Team

my comment:

So, I'm sorry but this email informations benefited nothing! At that time I didnt't care about that because I already planned to buy a new pc and now I have a new really great machine but the crashes comes back

about the crashes:

it would be fine if you send me your latest built then I will try again how it works. The problems on another and on my new system are still the same I wrote in this'meaning email above.

I won't argue with you, albino 3 is a great sounding synth which some nice features but on my systems I often get crashes with Albino 3 which are very hard and irregular. By this time I can work with Predator and Subboombass much better certainly by now they got some updates! I understand, this synths have nothing to do with Albino (different code ... ) but it's an odd thing for me that by default errors with synths are because of bad systems or incompetence from the users. And that is what I think if I get a support answer like this above!

Without further discussions, my goal is to work without problems with Albino 3 so what I can do is to make screenshots from the next crashes or send you flp.files. Or better you send me the latest built and perhaps all my problems will disappear by themselves

[Peter from LinPlug]

Thanks Clipnotic,
I also got all your additional info and examples via email, much appreciated. I can reproduce the issue wehere you sent me an FLP file and i'm currently debugging it. I'll get back once i know more.

[clipnotic]

OK, super and thank you too! If you need more / other examples keep me posted

[lionscub68]

I'd like to confirm that Albino 3.x soundset "Landscape" is the culprit.
I cannot open any Logic Pro project files that use these patches; these files crash Logic. Only the Albino Landscape Soundset called-up patches, nothing else. Very, very odd behavior.

It's not the Mac, I have two Macs to verify the same error, with different OS's and different audio workflows.

Mac OSX 10.6.3 / 10.5.8
Logic Pro 9.1.1 (32-bit)


I can also say that 1) opening a Landscape patch then 2) resaving a patch with OR wothout a minor change as a custom patch and 3) clearing Albino then 4) loading this 'new' resaved custom patch... causes the same crash. Maybe there's some corrupted data in there? It's too bad. I was testing this soundset out prior to purchasing it. An I will buy it if this problem can be confirmed as "fixed" in the future.

[Peter from LinPlug]

thank you lionscub68,
we seemed to have solved this, its already available for PC as beta version, maybe we soon have it also for Mac. Due to vacation season we probably not officially release it before late summer, early autumn.

[lionscub68]

Hi Peter,
Just curious: how can a patch corrupt a Logic project file?
The real-world equivalent would be if a sound I programmed in my Alpha-Juno 1 makes it so my song can't be played live on stage. (LOL).

I really like what I hear & I've followed the narrow path of running a warez-free setup. I gotta buy these patches. Albino is my go-to synth next to Omnisphere. But if the synth crashes my project files based on the patch it loads... Albino becomes useless, and that's a sad day, indeed.

Honestly though, is it a Logic data handling flaw that's causing these file crashes, or something funny going on in Albino? I look forward to the fix.

[Peter from LinPlug]

Hi Peter,
Just curious: how can a patch corrupt a Logic project file?

Not at all. The patch is just a collection of data; However, certain presets revel a bug in Albino which can make Albino fail (crash, hang, not play etc).