KVR Audio

TristezaOrange · Post by **TristezaOrange** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:33 am

Kriminal wrote:am i the only person who thinks this is a very average synth?

With the exception of the filter, it may not be too much. [Dr.Zoidberg] But that filter! OH! That FILTER! [/Dr. Zoidberg]

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:46 am

Kriminal wrote:am i the only person who thinks this is a very average synth?

Not sure about it.

The presets make me say it is not, but I am finding hard to get interesting sounds.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:51 am

(IMO) The audio engine, particularly the filter, is top notch - as good as some of the better payware VA stuff. I can't think of any freeware examples that better it on that score and only a handful that I would put in the same class.

The synth architecture is kind of basic and so the potential for sound design is pretty limited.

Sound engine 8/10

Architecture/sound design potential 3/10

Just out of interest, those who find this to be an average synth, considering the sound engine alone, against which freeware synths do you think Noisemaker compares unfavourably?

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:02 am

Kriminal wrote:am i the only person who thinks this is a very average synth?

Nope, me too. But I'm thinking the same about Ele7tro and everyone was going

for that one as well

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:05 am

hakey wrote:(

Architecture/sound design potential 3/10

On which scale do you judge this? Just based on features a Minimoog would be 1/10 and a Jupiter 2/10 on your scale. Pretty senseless i would say.

I just had a short look at the synth but it seems to be quite promising to me. The Osc FM and RingMod alone seem to be interesting.

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:09 am

hakey wrote:Just out of interest, those who find this to be an average synth, considering the sound engine alone, against which freeware synths do you think Noisemaker compares unfavourably?

The point is that I don't make that comparison. I'm looking at it as an instrument that I can use or not, and not as some academic 'proof of concept'. A mediocre synth with a great filter is still a mediocre synth. A great synth with a 'not so good' filter..... well you get the picture

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:24 am

I have to say I can't really relate to all the "this is the second coming", "nah it's average", "well I have to say it's decidedly subpar" talk. Maybe my standards are too low or non-existant. As far as ease of use is concerned, it's the first synth in a while I've spent more than a few minutes at a stretch with.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:25 am

Ingonator wrote:
hakey wrote:Architecture/sound design potential 3/10
On which scale do you judge this? Just based on features a Minimoog would be 1/10 and a Jupiter 2/10 on your scale. Pretty senseless i would say.

It's my subjective view (note: I was very careful to begin that post with "IMO") based upon the feature set, ie what you can do with the signal, how you can route it, what the modulation options are and the range of all possible sounds it would be possible to make with it. Makes sense to me, thanks.

And, forgive me, but how do you know what subjective scores I would give for a Minimoog or Jupiter? Unless you're omniscient, I would think that that's a fairly presumptuous call to make.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:52 pm

hakey wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
hakey wrote:Architecture/sound design potential 3/10
On which scale do you judge this? Just based on features a Minimoog would be 1/10 and a Jupiter 2/10 on your scale. Pretty senseless i would say.
It's my subjective view (note: I was very careful to begin that post with "IMO") based upon the feature set, ie what you can do with the signal, how you can route it, what the modulation options are and the range of all possible sounds it would be possible to make with it. Makes sense to me, thanks.

And, forgive me, but how do you know what subjective scores I would give for a Minimoog or Jupiter? Unless you're omniscient, I would think that that's a fairly presumptuous call to make.

I just judged the Jupiter and Minimoog on the amount of features which are less than the TAL plugin so it must be worse in your score too (BTW i already owned a Minimoog and a Jupiter so this was nothing against them, more like the opposite !).
I wanted to say that there is no way to judge the architecture/sound design potential since this depends on what your target is. If you want to create analog sounds with some FM and Ringmod then the plugin could score 10/10. If you want to have a synth with samples or additive synthesis the score would be 0/10. Based on this giving a note for "architecture/sound design" is senseless. Since this is very subjective you could describe this in words but not by giving numbers to it. Just my opinion.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:42 pm

Ingonator, my scoring system was merely an attempt to quantify an entirely subjective view of this synth.

I enjoy making my own sounds with synths, so for me it seems perfectly sensible that the relative merit of a synth is some function of the underlying quality of its audio engine (oscillator/filter/enveleopes) AND the flexibility that the architecture lends (how far you can bend the sound, how controllable, playable it is etc).

I'm sure many other people (the majority?) would perhaps consider the other factors, say, the quality of the presets to be of greater importance than flexibilty.

(They are, of course, wrong

)

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:54 pm

don't work in cubase essential 5 ( osx 10.5.8 ) .....It don't appears in the vst list...

lateks · Post by **lateks** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:06 pm

Kriminal wrote:am i the only person who thinks this is a very average synth?

Nope you aren't alone. the hype in this thread is out of control.

lateks · Post by **lateks** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:07 pm

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Kriminal wrote:am i the only person who thinks this is a very average synth?
Nope, me too. But I'm thinking the same about Ele7tro and everyone was going for that one as well

Yeah Ele7tro is pretty terrible.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:11 pm

i'm surprised to see your reactions,hey guy this synth is FREE , think about the time that the dev take to make it,it maybe sound weak or bad for you but as everything i think it's all about what you're doing with it.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:55 pm

man they even hate on the free stuff these days.

i quite like this, and i'm quite fond of the presets. it's a good working set of patches that give a decent idea of what you can do with it.

the filter is quite sweet, i also like the bitcrusher on the osc. that's an interesting idea i've not seen before. i like the UI, the size of the controls, and the attention to detail.

the CPU is a tad high, but it's quite good sounding to me.

TAL released NoiseMaker