Osc19 - sq8L!

[Steplton]

Its cool but covers should not be permitted imo,only your own work.

I don't agree. The rules said nothing about it.
BUT. I agree with the fact that own work will have many more votes.

[tattiemannie]

Covers .... allowed, but there is a problem in that I want to produce an e-album of each comp. ... and the users want this to be public. If I release a public e-album on which there appears a cover, which I knowingly include, then as the 'producer' of said e-album, I am legally obliged to register said cover, and either pay royalties, or charge the artist to cover said royalties.

If your work is a cover, and you post it in this or any other comp, then you may be liable, and possibly myself ( for the 4shared account) and V'ger ( for the KVROSC site ) may be equally liable should someone wish to sue.

Therefore, despite the two or possibly three past entries which have been covers, I would strongly advise either ...

You do a cover in such a way as it is not immediately recognisable, and tell us nothing about it ..... so we will only be liable if we know it is a cover and accept it into our charge,
or ....
you write your own bloody stuff and to hell with what's gone before!

As I said before, this is a challenge! And I for one could quite easily program a version of some fave song .... but I dont think that would engage me with the featured synth and be able to let the beast sing it's own song.

By all means celebrate the influence your fave songs bestow upon you, but FFS .... we have written more than 250 tracks between us in 18 months .... I doubt if any record label of any size could boast that figure ... so if you're looking for influences, we prob have more in our archive than any spoon fed, personally-arse-wiped-on-demand-by-handpicked-short-contract-barely-16-gender-of-choice-assistant, big-name-small-brain, smegastar has to offer in terms of dealing with this unique challenge!

So join the club .. and leave your once-upon-a-time icons looking for their twice-upon-a-times .... and CREATE!

[muLperi]

Uploaded a track called Running. Gotta love these sounds.

[crimsonwarlock]

Covers .... allowed, but there is a problem in that I want to produce an e-album of each comp. ... and the users want this to be public. If I release a public e-album on which there appears a cover, which I knowingly include, then as the 'producer' of said e-album, I am legally obliged to register said cover, and either pay royalties, or charge the artist to cover said royalties.

No problem there: If I do 'that' track then I do it for the fun of it. I don't care if you omit it for you e-album.

If your work is a cover, and you post it in this or any other comp, then you may be liable, and possibly myself ( for the 4shared account) and V'ger ( for the KVROSC site ) may be equally liable should someone wish to sue.

That might be a problem, but then again Youtube is loaded with such covers and it doesn't seem a big problem there

You do a cover in such a way as it is not immediately recognisable, and tell us nothing about it ..... so we will only be liable if we know it is a cover and accept it into our charge,

That would negate the purpose as I like to show how close you can get with SQ8L

As I said before, this is a challenge! And I for one could quite easily program a version of some fave song .... but I dont think that would engage me with the featured synth and be able to let the beast sing it's own song.

I totally disagree with you on that; trying to cover a song as closely as possible, that was made with a whole pile of expensive hardware synths, with just one freebee plugin synth is a serious challenge in my book. Also, as I said before, I'm not 'programming' anything (apart from the sounds); I am and always have been a 'performing' keyboardist. So there's a challenge as well (for me ).

So join the club .. and leave your once-upon-a-time icons looking for their twice-upon-a-times .... and CREATE!

Well, I also like to do a track of my own (I actually never recorded covers before ). Maybe I do both for this comp. It is just that I got this idea that it would actually really show of SQ8L's capabilities if I do this particular cover

[LXNDR1]

i'm not a copyright lawyer, but my guess is as long as you do not make profit out of it, all you're risking by including a cover track in a compilation is a polite request from the copyright holder to remove it, at worst cease and desist order
the chances to get sued are extremely remote
and sued for what? for unprofitable activity?

[Mac of BIOnighT]

i'm not a copyright lawyer, but my guess is as long as you do not make profit out of it, all you're risking by including a cover track in a compilation is a polite request from the copyright holder to remove it, at worst cease and desist order
the chances to get sued are extremely remote
and sued for what? for unprofitable activity?

I don't know what it is like outside of Italy, but here you have to fill in several documents and pay something to the copyright office even if you make no profit at all from a cover, otherwise you get fined if they get you.

Anyway, I have a suggestion: why don't you make your cover for the fun of it and for our enjoyment (at this point we're curious) and then come up with another track for the OSC? That way there would be no problem

[vanmorrison]

About the cover... I think it could be better not to use them for the competition... it could be much easier to do something that... is yet done, instead of something new... maybe... we could make one competition in wich everybody does a cover... (or the same cover!)
Apart from this I want to say that the Mulperi song is awesome... fantastic...

[olikana]

guys i think u are confusing sampling a song (for which u need the author's/labels/permission) with cover-ing/remaking a song.
there is no law stopping you from cover-ing any song and u don't need no authorization to do it either. (u can cover any song u wish and put it on youtube for example and noone could ever ask u to remove it if u givin credit to the original author)
the moment u sell it though royalties will get paid to the original author of the song and not to u(providing u declare the correct author info the moment u put it on the market).

You do a cover in such a way as it is not immediately recognisable, and tell us nothing about it ..... so we will only be liable if we know it is a cover and accept it into our charge,
....

this is the worst advice u can give.
cos the only way u'd be breaking the law in doing a cover is claiming it as your composition....which then becomes plagiarism.
if it's a cover then must be labelled as cover, to camouflage it as own work is not legal and not even fair for the OSC "competition".


even the big vst company websites (from native instrument to arturia) are full of covers to show their product can recreate the sounds of famous tunes (ex Jarre-oxygen)..and same is done by the ppl mamking presets etc....and they are not breaking any copyright law by doing so.(cos they not claming the compositions to be theirs)

I don't know what it is like outside of Italy, but here you have to fill in several documents and pay something to the copyright office even if you make no profit at all from a cover, otherwise you get fined if they get you.

u r confusing the cumbersome procedure to register a piece of audio work for publishing (no matter if own or cover) to the italian s.i.a.e. ..which requires first of all to register yourself with them for a feee...then payin a fee anytime u submit anything etc...i 've not had any dealings with thjem for many years thank god...but its them who have been deemed illegal by the EU (something along the lines of exstorsion towards italian musicians) and hopefully made to change their ways.

[LXNDR1]

plus there's a recognized principle called 'Fair Use', if your work comply with it you're pretty safe

one type of activity which falls within 'Fair Use' is parody.
and how would one categorize say a Beatles melody performed with a soft synth? if you ask me, this is shameless parody... at any rate this categorization can't be disproved

[LXNDR1]

even the big vst company websites (from native instrument to arturia) are full of covers to show their product can recreate the sounds of famous tunes (ex Jarre-oxygen)..and same is done by the ppl mamking presets etc....and they are not breaking any copyright law by doing so.(cos they not claming the compositions to be theirs)

for fairness sake it should be noted that this fact doesn't imply that they didn't get a mechanical license from the copyright authority, and they most likely did, cause they use covers in a commercial context

[crimsonwarlock]

Before this starts dominating the contest I suggest we lay this to rest

The solution is simple. I was already thinking into that direction (see my post above) but Mac did put it into perspective nicely:

Anyway, I have a suggestion: why don't you make your cover for the fun of it and for our enjoyment (at this point we're curious) and then come up with another track for the OSC? That way there would be no problem

So I do at least a track of my own and if I get to it I'll do the cover and upload it for the sake of demonstration

[bwwd]

Can i ask why this synth was banned before from this competition ? It sounds so awesome and 80s,those bells are super great with a bit of reverb ,i dont know any other synth which sound so 80s in vsti world.

[Mac of BIOnighT]

I don't know what it is like outside of Italy, but here you have to fill in several documents and pay something to the copyright office even if you make no profit at all from a cover, otherwise you get fined if they get you.

u r confusing the cumbersome procedure to register a piece of audio work for publishing (no matter if own or cover) to the italian s.i.a.e. ..which requires first of all to register yourself with them for a feee...then payin a fee anytime u submit anything etc...i 've not had any dealings with thjem for many years thank god...but its them who have been deemed illegal by the EU (something along the lines of exstorsion towards italian musicians) and hopefully made to change their ways.

Unfortunately, you're totally wrong on this. You are not required to register with SIAE, you only have to do that if you want to get royalties on your works. Depositing a song to have it protected from being stolen, for example, does not require registering with them, neither does releasing a cover. I do know the procedure for sure as last year (or two years ago max) I made an album of covers and got the necessary information from SIAE. They don't give a damn whether it is a free download album (such as mine), you must fill in the documents and pay a sum (probably not much) as you are still using somebody else's intellectual property.
They are vampires, no doubt about it, but for now that's still the law.

[V'ger]

Well I wouldn't mind covers at all and hope they will be allowed, but I don't know how to find out. But as already pointed out, we've had a few done and covers are all over the net without much done about it apparently. Like also said, covers would probably suffer during voting, but if that was the most fun to be had and if above board I say go for it.

[V'ger]

Any reason you're not using SoundCloud for the management of comp entries, its much easier?

After some hairpulling and swearing, I've persevered with SoundCloud and can now see it has some merit and might actually work for the OSC.

Yes the interface can be seriously annoying and it's buggy, but it has some nice features too, especially the embedded player with download option. Decent download speed too. Just check it in action on the page: https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-19-sq8l

So shall we try this out? Submissions must still go to 4shared for now, but if you don't mind to upload it to the KVR OSC dropbox at Soundcloud too and it will appear in the player. (it might be slow to appear sometimes, but wait)

One can upload without an account there, but they insist on an email with confirmation when uploading, so why not enter a password as well and get an account so that it's easier in the future and allows you to edit, delete etc tracks.

If you upload from an account, make sure the songs are marked public and downloadable. (this will happen by default without account)