KVR Audio

tattiemannie · Post by **tattiemannie** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:34 pm

batgab wrote

I'm sure a PM to the person who produced a sound you find interesting or mind-blowing would suffice in the education department.

Yep, agree totally.

It's no problem at all for me to create a presets folder for each synth, and really no problem if no-one uploads their presets. Looking at the download rates of those presets which have been collected, I can tell you there is no great demand ... so unless there is a desire to pool our presets together in one place ( which I am more than happy to contribute to ) I think batgab has hit the nail on the head

Anyway .. great to see some lively discussion going on .. carry on, dont mind me ..

tattiemannie · Post by **tattiemannie** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:00 pm

Quick 'heads up' .... just as I was about to write off the NA2SC, a surge of interest kicked in

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4205801

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:35 pm

holy shit ...can't believe how many hit records were made using es1/sq80.
each and every preset immedately remindes me of an italo-disco/eurodance tune of the late 80s early 90s.. ...
lovin this jump in time .

tattiemannie · Post by **tattiemannie** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:04 pm

OK folks, due to the wealth of discussion in this thread, as tends to happen in such circumstances, an issue for discussion/comment has got itself lost.

On page 2 of this thread I asked for comments re. a system for choosing future OSC synths.

V'ger has been in touch re. whether to set up a facility on the site, but looking back, I dont see enough input to the subject to warrant doing anything for now.

So lets have your comments and ideas

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:34 pm

I'm for having the synth chosen by voting.

It could be set up like the voting form for the OSC songs like is now, and like suggested, could run parallel to the normal voting.

This could then count for the comp to come after the following, which would give ample time to test it out. A backup synth would anyway be easy to select from the same vote.

batgab · Post by **batgab** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:59 am

We could certainly try voting, however I'm wondering if we will end up with 15 synths each getting one vote. And then there will have to be re-voting until one synth gets some minimum # of votes that would we need to [agree on]. Not saying this wouldn't work, however....

Maybe another idea would be to have the winner of one competition bestow the honor of picking the next synth on his/her chosen "loser" from that competition.

Or have the 3rd place contestant (or 4th, or...) of one comp choose the next synth.

Just some ideas.

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:11 am

Another suggestion for choosing the synth:

Make a numbered list of all possible synths to use and use http://www.random.org/ to pick one each time.

The chosen synth can be removed for the list for a certain period of time to prevent the same synth to be chosen repeatedly, or removed permanently if we don't want the same synth to enter ever again.

tattiemannie · Post by **tattiemannie** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:05 am

I'm all for the voting system ... but I think it is important, however it is done, for the voting to be limited to participants... and by participants, I mean contributors of tracks to the current comp, or previous comps, folk who have submitted votes, prize donors, and developers of synths we have previously featured.

I have a long list of synths which have been suggested to date, but I'm not sure if putting it out there again will be of much help.

How about we ask folks to nominate a synth at the same time as they cast their votes in the comp? Track contributors nearly always cast a vote ... we could have 20 to 25 nominations by the end of a comp ... if there is a clear fave, we use it and take it off the list but leave the rest, with their numbers of nominations intact and add to their tallies in the next OSC voting phase whilst adding any new nominations? Does that make sense?

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:12 am

tattiemannie wrote:How about we ask folks to nominate a synth at the same time as they cast their votes in the comp? Track contributors nearly always cast a vote ... we could have 20 to 25 nominations by the end of a comp ... if there is a clear fave, we use it and take it off the list but leave the rest, with their numbers of nominations intact and add to their tallies in the next OSC voting phase whilst adding any new nominations? Does that make sense?

I think that's a great solution.

Well, I have to start working on that SQ8L-track, my vacation started today although I'm still on call for some clients

satYatunes · Post by **satYatunes** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:39 pm

tattiemannie wrote: How about we ask folks to nominate a synth at the same time as they cast their votes in the comp? Track contributors nearly always cast a vote ... we could have 20 to 25 nominations by the end of a comp ... if there is a clear fave, we use it and take it off the list but leave the rest, with their numbers of nominations intact and add to their tallies in the next OSC voting phase whilst adding any new nominations? Does that make sense?

That again may leave us with multiple synths with no clear fav.. for example we may have 25 synths nominated by all 25 track contributors... well, that's a possibility. I would suggest to limit the number of synths that can be nominated, for example, select around 5 - 6 synths and ask the track contributors to pick one during the voting process. Now the question is, who's going to select those 5 - 6 synths. Well, we can ask the winner to select 5 synths for us to vote... or top 5 contestants can select one synth each.. or bottom 5 contestants and so on so forth...

tattiemannie · Post by **tattiemannie** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:05 pm

Yeah, I agree we could end up with no clear synth choice, but then again, it would be no bad thing to have an up to date selection.

However, are we not looking at problems which are unlikely to occur? .. and a problem no worse than having no synth suggestions?

Here's what I think will happen ( forgive me, I'm not trying to push the idea just trying to keep things in perspective )

The first few voters will suggest a synth. After that, voters will become influenced by what is already on the list and vote for one they like .. either because it's what they would have chosen freely themselves, or because one previously nominated enthuses them, or it saves them the bother having to think about what they would choose, or because supporting a particular synth increases its chances of being the chosen one.

Some voters coming in behind might make a new nomination, but will realise it has little chance of selection if one or more synths have 3 or 4 votes.

.... and if we do end up with no clear winner, I can always use my 5dice app to sort it out

http://www.4shared.com/account/file/OceDcX5o/5dice.html

gravejester · Post by **gravejester** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:10 pm

How about the first 5-6 voters get to suggest a synth (if they want to).. this way there is a "prize" for voting early. As it is now, it feels like most of us wait until nearly the deadline to vote.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:20 pm

i'm for the simple vote on the OSC website as suggested by voyager.

although tattie may not like this the OSC is part of the KVR community so if ppl who have not yet partecipated wanna help pick a synth (which will then push them to enter a challenge for the first time ) i not see any problem with it.
some ppl who never took part in an OSC have voted for entries before...i donm't see why it's so terrible for them to vote for the next synth too. .
and havin said that only ppl with a clear interest are aware of the OSC website anyway. that's where the monthly poll will take place...and voting will be at the same time as the voting for the entries. (nomination for the synths can be done anytime in OSC threads or with a pm to voyager before the voting opens).

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:27 pm

gravejester wrote:How about the first 5-6 voters get to suggest a synth (if they want to).. this way there is a "prize" for voting early. As it is now, it feels like most of us wait until nearly the deadline to vote.

there should be no prize for voting early.
everyone takes time to vote cos it requires time and thought...and that is more appreaciated than voting mindlessly for entries after 1 skipped listen.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:33 pm

batgab wrote:We could certainly try voting, however I'm wondering if we will end up with 15 synths each getting one vote. And then there will have to be re-voting until one synth gets some minimum # of votes that would we need to [agree on]. Not saying this wouldn't work, however....

the likeliness of that happening is 1/10000.
but in that case just let the winner of previous comp pick the synth among the tied synths.

Osc19 - sq8L!