Electri6ity

[MRT]

OT: "Killer" cover and fantastic video.

[dynamitec]

ok.. this is my first full track with electri6ity. It's pretty much Metal.. with a few synth parts thrown in for variety. all the guitars are from electri6ity.

it's a remix of Peter Gabriel's "Games Without Frontiers":

Cool, I like it! Sounds really good.


Which guitars / amp did you use?

[progtronic]

ok.. this is my first full track with electri6ity. It's pretty much Metal.. with a few synth parts thrown in for variety. all the guitars are from electri6ity.

it's a remix of Peter Gabriel's "Games Without Frontiers":

Cool, I like it! Sounds really good.


Which guitars / amp did you use?

used the tele for the distorted rhythm guitars. the preamp in electri6ity really helps kill the twang.. but leaves that crunchy bite. works really well for a heavy guitar sound.

used the strat for the distorted lead and the clean stuff.

and used guitar rig 4 pro for all the distortion, amp & effects.

not too happy with the clean strat sound I came up with though.. needs a lot of tweaking. and I gotta work on my technique. holding down the sustain pedal through most of the clean guitar parts, killed the the release noises.. makes it sound kinda bland.

[zimmerabc]

I didn't read all the posts, but isn't it possible
for vir2 to put the adjustments as presets online,
which are used in the different electricity-videos?

[bill45]

Rick,
Are you using any other plugins besides guitar rig to process the guitar?
what articulation did you use for the fast rythm parts?
Anyone else notice that the mutes in the c0 articulation are louder than the sustains.This is the case before the amp sim , no mod wheel in the sequence.
Benjamin,
I like your sounds too. what guitar rig components to you use for your distorted tones.I didn't find any midi files at the vir2 support site.

Here is another good electricity track !

[progtronic]

Rick,
Are you using any other plugins besides guitar rig to process the guitar?
what articulation did you use for the fast rythm parts?

nope. all the guitars are processed with guitar rig's distortion, amps, fx and eq's.

for the fast muted rhythm parts.. it's sort of a combo of electri6ity's forced muted note and chord keyswitches, plus some ghost notes edited in here and there.

[progtronic]

here's my latest remix.. once again, using electri6ity for all the guitars:

Progtronic - "Not One Of Us" - Emo Goth Metal Mix:


used both les pauls on this one (standard and p90).

[progtronic]

my youtube remixes are only gonna be up for a few more days, so get a look at 'em while you can:



they will still be listenable from realworldremixed.com:

Progtronic @ RealWorldRemixed.com

and from my website as well at: progtronic.com

[progtronic]

Just finished a remix of The Qemists, "Take It Back".

This is possibly the toughest type of Metal to pull off (Death Metal) with fake instruments:

http://www.indabamusic.com/submissions/show/29508

Once again.. all guitars are Electri6ity.

[bill45]

Another great job Rick !
How much eq do you need to get those tones?
Does anyone Have any amp sim presets for sampled guitars?
I'm struggling with chords which contain close intervals.
I'm getting nasty inter modulation distortion and beating.
I'm also Having trouble matching my treble to everyone elses heavy tones.Has anyone had success with the saturation in electric6ity's
preamp.

[progtronic]

eq depends on what distortion and amp heads I'm using. sometimes I eq both before, and after the amp head and cabinet. once in a while I'll use a filter after the distortion unit, to sorta smooth it out a bit as well.

you're a bit limited to using some very basic chords with most high gain distortion settings. I use a lot of power chords (7th's) and the occasional 4th and 5th. mostly just 2-note 7th's though.

with cleaner tones you can use more complicated chords.

electri6ity's pre-amp results, sort of revolves around which guitar you have loaded up. I set up a very basic amp & cabinet.. then experiment with the pre-amp in electri6ity, until I get the basic, desired tone. usually use it to tone down any harsh twangs on the guitars attacks and sustains.

after I get that setup.. I'll add a distortion unit and a set of eq's. then finally add in the fx.. and maybe a couple more eq's to round things out.

[bill45]

Thanks Rick,
I may have to get lpc distortion , it has samples of complex chords.
I'm working on a tune with minor chords an sus 2nd's.Javi and Benjami
get good results whith sixth's and sus chords.

[dynamitec]

Thanks Rick,
I may have to get lpc distortion , it has samples of complex chords.
I'm working on a tune with minor chords an sus 2nd's.Javi and Benjami
get good results whith sixth's and sus chords.

I don't think the LPC will make a big difference (other than you don't have to care about amping the guitar). Using guitar samples with distortion already applied will never sound as good as using DI samples with proper amping. That's why (almost) all new electric guitar libraries include DI samples, too.

I think a important tip might be, to turn off automatic chord detection (Settings Page => Playing). By default Electri6ity rewrites keyboard chords to guitar chords. But if you play an A minor chord on the keyboard for example it will be remapped to a full 6 string A minor chord (you can of course setup this too (via CC), I mean e.g. how many notes will be strummed in a chord, but that's another story and will lead off topic). Anyway, a guitarist would (almost) never play a full 6 string chord in high gain. It will (almost) never sound good or right!

What you need to do in that case is what guitarists do: leave out notes. Never play more than three notes at a time if you play high gain. Most of the time even chords with two notes are already enough (e.g. power chords for example C5, D5, E5 or their inversions).

So if you want to play a high gain minor chord, only play the root and minor 3rd. Don't play the fifth. If you want to play a high gain major chord, only play the root and the major third. Don't play the fifth. And so on.
That way you can even play diminished chords (reduced to two notes) and it will sound good with high gain.

Bands playing high gain but using complex chords (e.g. Dream Theater) often split chords between guitar and keyboard (where the guitar plays power chords or two note chords and the keyboard adds the missing notes). Or you can use two different guitars (left and right) where one guitar is playing the lower notes of the chord and the other guitar the higher notes.

If you want to experiment with three note chords, I suggest to turn of auto chord detection (as mentioned above). If you want to play the chords without the fifth, simply only play two notes at a time (in that case you can leave auto chord detection on).

I hope that helps a bit

PS:

Take a look at this video (set it to 720p). Follow the notes in Cubase and the notes on the virtual fretboard. You'll see that most of the time only two or three note chords are used.

[bill45]

Thanks Benjamin,
Randy Roads Plays an Em7flat 5 chord across all six strings in Ozzy's
MR Crowly.Alex Lifeson plays sus2 and other complex chords with distortion.
I realize They did not use super hi gain.Modern bands like messhuggah and tool do use a lot of gain when playing complex chords.Your blues demo has sixth intervals with a fair amount of distortion.Javi uses intervals other than root, fifth, octave.

No disrespect to You , Your support has been top notch and electri6ity
is a great product.I realize the clean guitar amp sim combo is the nost
realistic sound.But my amp sim skills are not as good as Yours , javi's or protronic's, yet.That's why I'm thinking of using sampled distortion libs.
Any chance you could share more midi files whith us?The rythm gtr midi file
was really helpful.I'm not giving up on electri6ity.

[progtronic]

...I'm thinking of using sampled distortion libs.

unless the library has the exact sampled distortion/amped chords you're looking for.. it's not gonna work. playing single note amped samples, as chords.. is really ugly.