The idea that the musician's development evolves linearly no longer applies (at least in EDM). Now we start with the fully decked out means of production and work backwards. Check out this thread http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=295758jancivil wrote:Nowadays I guess all one does is buy a computer and a sequencer and let's get going, and we'll be BT. Come on.
Fretting over timing
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- KVRian
- 1084 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Your basement
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robertinventor robertinventor https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=221591
- KVRer
- 11 posts since 13 Dec, 2009
Yes, it's genuinely hard to do.
Part of the problem is that the closer you are in time with the metronome, the harder it is to hear the tick, and ideally you aim to merge with the tick completely on every tick - that is if you are practicing in that way - and on some instruments the tick may seem to vanish. You only know that you drift away from the timing when you hear the metronome again.
My Bounce Metronome Pro can help with this. Its "Gravity Bounce Conductor" helps you to see where you are in the beat and to play in time.
http://bouncemetronome.com/metronome-software.htm
It can also play many rhythms which are hard to learn such as swing, polyrhythms like 4/4 over 4/3, mixed meters like 4/4 + 7/8, etc.
Part of the problem is that the closer you are in time with the metronome, the harder it is to hear the tick, and ideally you aim to merge with the tick completely on every tick - that is if you are practicing in that way - and on some instruments the tick may seem to vanish. You only know that you drift away from the timing when you hear the metronome again.
My Bounce Metronome Pro can help with this. Its "Gravity Bounce Conductor" helps you to see where you are in the beat and to play in time.
http://bouncemetronome.com/metronome-software.htm
It can also play many rhythms which are hard to learn such as swing, polyrhythms like 4/4 over 4/3, mixed meters like 4/4 + 7/8, etc.
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 3 Feb, 2007
One thing that really helped me trying to play in time was kind of counter-intuitive. For the longest time I had impossible difficulties trying to play in time anything more complicated than quarter notes. What finally made the breakthrough was almost stupidly simple.
Instead of trying to consciously focus on every 8th note or 16th or whatever, just concentrate on being in time in the quarter notes, and let your hand automatically go to that 8th note without consciously trying to "hit" it perfectly. Practice with two fingers to start with at low bpm, and just try to feel it. Don't worry about the 8th note being in time, with a little practice you'll start to hear how everything works and your fingers should figure it out by themselves. Remember, just think about hitting the quarter notes and let your fingers mash out the rest.
Instead of trying to consciously focus on every 8th note or 16th or whatever, just concentrate on being in time in the quarter notes, and let your hand automatically go to that 8th note without consciously trying to "hit" it perfectly. Practice with two fingers to start with at low bpm, and just try to feel it. Don't worry about the 8th note being in time, with a little practice you'll start to hear how everything works and your fingers should figure it out by themselves. Remember, just think about hitting the quarter notes and let your fingers mash out the rest.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
teeheeOgg Vorbis wrote:The idea that the musician's development evolves linearly no longer applies (at least in EDM). Now we start with the fully decked out means of production and work backwards. Check out this thread http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=295758jancivil wrote:Nowadays I guess all one does is buy a computer and a sequencer and let's get going, and we'll be BT. Come on.
*work* seems optimistic here.
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Count_fuzzball Count_fuzzball https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=182471
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 765 posts since 9 Jun, 2008 from Ireland
Well, a picture is worth a thousand words, so this might better explain what I mean:
http://imagebin.org/112623
Amidoingitrong?
http://imagebin.org/112623
Amidoingitrong?
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- KVRian
- 1084 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Your basement
Ah, you just need more latency.Count_fuzzball wrote:Well, a picture is worth a thousand words, so this might better explain what I mean:
http://imagebin.org/112623
Amidoingitrong?
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- KVRAF
- 1595 posts since 19 Aug, 2009
Count_fuzzball wrote:I need help. I seriously cannot get ANY music creating done due to me having an absolutely fail sense of timing when playing to a metronome. I tend to either play a bit before or after the bar (technically just after or before the off beat, on the 'and' of beat 4 or 1).
Not that I'm saying that my human variance isn't more 'natural' sounding, but it's quite noticable when playing back the notes TO a metronome that I hit a note too early or too late and it really really frustrates me trying to record stuff live (which I prefer to drawing in notes).
I have I got a really bad timing issue or am I just being overly fussy and wanting a perfectly robot performance?
Go dance to the clubs/discos/whatever kind of music you like.
There is no better way to feel the tempo/rhythm/music and let it grow in you.
Personally I recomend you too try EBM/electro/industrial, like Fabrick C, combichrist or X-RX
Serious, try it.
Also keep practicing.
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- KVRAF
- 2448 posts since 12 Sep, 2004
I don't see anything wrong with that. What specifically is the problem? Looks like you're a couple of milliseconds late or early on most things, then a couple of notes a bit more off... like first note of measure 7 is almost a full 16th early. We call that "anticipation".Count_fuzzball wrote:Well, a picture is worth a thousand words, so this might better explain what I mean:
http://imagebin.org/112623
Amidoingitrong?
Seriously, I don't see what's wrong with that picture. If you need ultra strict timing, that's what the quantize function is for. Or am I missing something?