OSC19 - Sq8l - MuLperi Wins!

[Steplton]

I'd prefer to leave commercial instruments and effects out of it.

+1

[olikana]

I'd prefer to leave commercial instruments and effects out of it.

out of the Any One Synth Challenge? care to explain why?
the idea is about a once a year OSC where ppl can use whatever single synth they want (whether freeware or not)and maybe with a theme(hopefully not "jingle bells"...)
u not wanna use a payware... u r free to just use freeware...but if someone else wanna use a payware...why would u wanna prevent him from usin it?
i don't see any problem...even in the worst scenario of a developer
makin a track to promote his synth...who cares?

i for one i'm curious to see how tracks made with freeware compare to tracks made with payware...i bet there'll be no obvious gap sound wise
i think the results willl just confirm that with freeware solutions u can almost match the result obtained with expensive synths.
and also it's an opportunity for members here to showcase their skills with their preferred synth of choice.
moreover a round up to check what's out there...what people end up using for such task...and maybe discover some synth which has slipped the radar.

also we are on KVR in the instruments forum...not in the "only free instruments" forum ....this site even supports itself from revenues from commercial plugs ads. we are in a forum where many here use commercial synths....i don't see why givin every synth out there a piece of the action and bringing all together in a ONCE A YEAR OSC would be a negative thing.

if u have valid arguments against it please say, i'm all ears. it's curious how noone ever had anything against the idea every time it was proposed in the past .. and now suddenly everyone is gangin up against it.
it looks to me like u guys are just running in tattie's support as u noticed some conflict ...and u was probably egged on by this

despite the fact I have really no interest in doing comps with payware and will not be entering

let me clarify i never asked tattie to make specific comps with payware and i never intended the anyOSC to be a payware synths challenge...it's simply any synth (freeware or not it don't matter)
and i for one i will be using a freeware synth in that challenge...but that don't mean i wanna stop someone else who may wanna use a commercial plug from doin so...and willl sure be interested in earing if anything done with a commercial synth is out of reach with the freeware i'm using (i bet not.. but who knows).

[gravejester]

I'm with olikana in this.

As far as I'm concerned any synth is any synth, and since we are not restricted to use a specific synth, should it care whether the synth is freeware or not?

I would like to think that the most important thing would be the music

[PurpleCatfishBettie]

...it just seems to me like, allowing payware is a different contest; not the one synth contest.

It's not a big deal to me, because; agreed that it would be interesting to see how freeware stacks up against payware.

Like i said though, it just seems like payware and OSC don't go together. To me, part of the OSC is that the freeware-only concept always welcomes beginners; but in an 'anything goes' contest, potential 'beginner' entrants might be intimidated by other, experienced contestants and their 'super commercial plugs.'

If there is an OSC which invites commercial synths, I'll probably fire up my Dirty Harry. (;

[olikana]

...it just seems to me like, allowing payware is a different contest; not the one synth contest.

It's not a big deal to me, because; agreed that it would be interesting to see how freeware stacks up against payware.

Like i said though, it just seems like payware and OSC don't go together. To me, part of the OSC is that the freeware-only concept always welcomes beginners; but in an 'anything goes' contest, potential 'beginner' entrants might be intimidated by other, experienced contestants and their 'super commercial plugs.'

If there is an OSC which invites commercial synths, I'll probably fire up my Dirty Harry. (;

it is still a OneSynthChallenge cos it's still about making a track with One Synth.

intimidating?
an AnyOSc would allow anyone to use whichever synth they wish and feel most confortable with..which should be of help ..and we should not forget it's for fun.
if there's ever gonna be a xmas AnyOSC i bet the first uploaded track will be Jinglebells_OnePingOnly .

anyway if it ever takes place.....i have an idea for a theme
which is just....(secret till it happens)

[batgab]

I think the point mrblitz was makin' was that the idea of this forum's One Synth Challenge concept was to wring out and expose the capabilities of one common (to all participants) piece of freeware.

But, having said that, I don't think there's any major issue with doing the rare "special" comp that deviates from the OSC intentions (e.g. the NA2SC1) except that if it's done in addition to a regularly-scheduled single free synth OSC, I think it adds a little more administrative effort to Tattie's already-overflowing plate, unless someone else administers the thread, submissions, etc.... .

Personally, I'm neutral on the topic. Call me Mr. Switzerland.

[Yeager]

My votes :

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Deja_Vu - Steplton : 8 pnt
Running - Mulperi : 4 pnt
LookMaNoEnsoniqs - k-bee : 4 pnt
TheFutureIsDigital - Monopoli : 4 pnt
Suspense - Bwwd : 2 pnt
24.59pmAndAllIsWell - Tattiemannie : 2 pnt

Very nice entries altogether, there was definitely an 80's theme going on.

Next Synth : Anything light on CPU.

[olikana]

I think the point mrblitz was makin' was that the idea of this forum's One Synth Challenge concept was to wring out and expose the capabilities of one common (to all participants) piece of freeware.
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i'll take it as your own point as the point mr blitz was making was just about allowing payware in anyOSC not being suitable for the OSC concept and spirit.(i read his post again and that's all i read in it)

the idea of making a special once a year "OSC: any one synth of your choice" came in the early stages of the OSCs. after the Synth1, Oatmeal and Crystal challenges there were a series of synth choices which were rather unpopular....and there was quite a few people just sitting on the fence and waiting for some synth of their likings to be picked at some point. it became an almost neverending wait for some.


so i thought : why not once a year let members just use any synth they wish to use? so at least once a year there's a chance for every unearthed synth out there to come out and show what it can do.
and also anyone who might have missed out on previous OSC comps, instead of having to wait years for an allready used synth to be featured again, can have a chance of another go with that alllready used synth.

and about allowing payware in the anyOSC:
....although i only had freeware in mind myself (the only commercial synth i own is korg legacy and i don't even use it)..was simply a matter of "why not?"....it stilll allows people to enter the contest to showcase some freeware....but also allows for whoever cares to explore payware options. and being the OSC hosted in the kvr instrument forum would be pretty foolish to say "noone here cares what commercial synths can do" .
i am more interested on waht free synths can do...but still interested of waht the big expensive synths can achieve.

also to avoid it being just a boring collection of demosongs and make it more challenging i thought adding a theme for the anyOSc would be the way to go (no need for themes in regular OSCs)

[objectman]

I prefer the FREE synth angle. It's good for beginner musos and is sure to attract and encourage new developers. But I can't see a reason why there couldn't be an "Anysynth Challenge" - it's just a matter of organising and the time / monthly commitment it would take.

I can't see me getting any more than one track down each month, so I'm happy to be learning on the freebies. Maybe we could have a OneSynth one month and an AnySynth the next. Staggered months.

It "feels" like the OSC is getting more popular (is it guys?), so maybe we should leave it as is and develop it further down the track?

[gravejester]

I just don't get this argument that is thrown inn frequently, "good for the beginners"... so it is easier for beginners to use freeware synths? I just don't see this as a competition for beginners at all (all though I rate my self a beginner still)

The competition is about getting the most out of a (often hard to use/program) synth. And you are encouraged to program your own sounds from scratch (and the voting also favours those that are making their own sounds it seems).

So how is this anyway near a competition for a beginner? Are beginners in music automatically able to program new sounds from scratch with obscure freeware synths?

Just drop this talk about this being a newbie-friendly competition, because it isn't. Those that win OSC competitions are far from beginners, and even though it is open for all, and I certainly encourage beginners to participate, because it is great to push your self to finish songs, don't use this as an argument.

As a beginner.. do you know what I find hardest about this competition? Trying to find freeware effects to replace the ones I usually use (that are shipped with my DAW). So instead of using the effects that I am familiar with, I have to hunt around and use something I have never used before.. because it's easier for the beginners to use freeware stuff :S

Oh well.. just ignore everything you have just read.. I'm just in a grumpy mood today.. move along now...

[olikana]

I prefer the FREE synth angle. It's good for beginner musos and is sure to attract and encourage new developers. But I can't see a reason why there couldn't be an "Anysynth Challenge" - it's just a matter of organising and the time / monthly commitment it would take.

I can't see me getting any more than one track down each month, so I'm happy to be learning on the freebies. Maybe we could have a OneSynth one month and an AnySynth the next. Staggered months.

It "feels" like the OSC is getting more popular (is it guys?), so maybe we should leave it as is and develop it further down the track?

hm frustrating random comment.

"i prefer the FREE synth angle" and who here is saying otherwise? not me

i never wish for the regular OSCs to change from freeware synths to paywware synths. i'm the first one who hopes for things to stay that way.

also i repeated at nauseam that the anyOSC would only be a ONCE A YEAR comp (i must have written "once a year" about a million times ....just this proves u didn't really read my posts :/).never asked it to be a regular affair.

about paywares : all i said is that they should be allowed too in the AnyOSC(and only in this particular comp).
with a good theme it could turn into a huge fun "battle of the synths" ...and wouldn't it be cool if a freeware came out on top ?

anway when ppl answer without even reading is really time to call it quits.
this debate only kicked off after a confrontional spat. was obvious was gonna turn out like this.

time to get on with my Noisemaker track


regards

[any1particular]

...wow....what a great sounding synth...and soooooo much fun going on around here! I mean hear?

Look Ma, No Ensoniqs-K-Bee 10 Points

Running-Mulperi 8 Points

BWWd-Suspence 3

Belyrus-Mr Blitz000 3

[Yeager]

I think the problem with the AnyOSC is... What are we judging ?

The song? production? the playing? the chosen synth? the quality of whatever?

There is no common denominator, so it's a whole different challenge altogether.
Its more like an eurovision songcontest, all different , but they all were playing on the same day in the same contest.(What did those judges base their votes on?)

In the OSC (one synth), we know all the contestents used the same synth, they all struggled with the same problems (well not quit, some have better PC's than others, and are able to use more tracks and effects, but that is besides the point), and everybody could enter because the synth we chose and the effects are FREE and available to anyone.(And if we realy wanted: mr.A could render mr.B's track and it would sound the same, and he didn't have to buy anything to do so.)
(We already lost a (small) group of Apple users now and then, but that was their own fault)

I find it very hard to judge the entries as they are now, because I want to listen to what they used and how they used it, and the best programmed sounds should win, but I always get distracted by the track (do I like it ?). So great sounddesign against using presets, should make a difference, but it only works if the tracks are the same, but they never are.

So in an AnyOSC all the tracks are different, on top of that all the synths/effects are different pay/free whatever... what AM I judging here?

Ok!... here's a dietcoke, a patatoe, a cauliflower, a raison, a bag of peanuts, and a shoe...
wich one do you like best?.... uhmm....

I still think that the OSC's are a great way to finish a track within an restricted timeframe, and this is THE reason I enter, otherwise I'm just f*cking about, never finishing anything, and it's nice to hear what people come up with using the SAME synth/restrictions.

Ok!... here are some scupltures made with the same clay...
wich one do you like best? ...oooooh....THAT one !

[gravejester]

I always vote for the SONG that I like the most. I know nothing about sound creation, and mostly use presets (or tweak them abit).. so if this competition is about creating sounds, it's not a competition for me

[Yeager]

and mostly use presets (or tweak them abit).. (

To me that is already sounddesign, I never start with the init patch

EDIT:

I always vote for the SONG that I like the most

I think it will always boil down to that, also in my voting, I only wanted to say that it is easier to choose if all the entries have the same resrictions, don't know it's hard to explain but to compare two totaly different things is just weird to me.
Hope this somehow makes sense