The Noise Thread (a.k.a. TNT) - - - - > bring the noise back!

[michat]

Hi there,

back in the day after the millenium I decided to get me a DAW.
There were many reasons for doing that.
I always liked it to make music with hardware synths, samplers, mixers and stuff.
But it always had been very expensive, cables crackled and the noise of many units I could afford was very loud and annoying.

Nowadays I hate the clean and polished sound of perfection.
No noise (except the fan of the DAW ), no clicks and pops, no analog distortion and nothing no complain about.

Therefore I would like to ask , if someone who uses analog hardware
(sampler/synths/dynmics/oldschool tape echos/FX/any analog gear!!!!)
can sample the noise and provide it in this thread.

I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THE NOISE BACK!

I'm planning to add real gear noise for the background of my music to make it more imperfect.

And, before you ask: NO, I DON'T WANT TO FILTER WHITE NOISE FOR THIS PURPOSE!

I had a bunch of diefferent machines over the years and I know white noise is not the same. Every unit has its own unique noise like a fingerprint.

Could you help me? Perhaps you are also interested in noise?
I would be very(!) happy if you all could help me.

Thanks in advance

Michat

[risome]

LIVEs vinyl distortion plugin can do this no worries.
Defeq also had a bunch of noise sampled from an ssl desk but its not on there site anymore?

[michat]

LIVEs vinyl distortion plugin can do this no worries.
Defeq also had a bunch of noise sampled from an ssl desk but its not on there site anymore?

Thanks for the hints. I will check the Defeq thing.
I got a whole lot of vinyl noise, crackles and pops but I need the basic unit noise. Some samples of old drum machines got the noise in it.

But this is exactly what I mean risome :
noise from any mixing console, sample or fx unit apply!

[michat]

http://www.blackstrobe.co.uk/download.html

They got a bunch of samples, too, but the site is down.

[michat]

I would like to give the first contributions to this in the next days.
Can someone recommend a good free filesharing system?

The first contributions will be:

RE 201
Sony TC399
EMU Esi 4000
Yamaha mr 1642 Main bus
Soundcraft 24/8/2 Main bus
Line6 DL4
aiwa adf tape deck (consumer deck from the 90's )
Roland W30

[PeterL]

Maybe also this Sonitex STX-1260 plugin could be useful:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2268.html

[pinkjimiphoton]

http://web.archive.org/web/200612301928 ... evsti.html

[michat]

Maybe also this Sonitex STX-1260 plugin could be useful:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2268.html

Hi PeterL,

thanks for this, but this thread shouldn't go into a vst section or whatever.
I really want to capture the noise in wav/aiff format in order to play it back, combine or modify it.

[michat]

http://web.archive.org/web/200612301928 ... evsti.html

Thanks for this man.
There seem to be no samples for this purpose.

[michat]

Okay, to explain this a little more:

If some of you got any synth / samplers / fx units in your studio and you plug it in your soundcard or whatever and sample just the basic noise of it doing nothing but being powered on, this is what I mean.
Or take a tape machine, put an empty tape on it and press play, take an analog mixer, push all faders plus the bus to max and sample the noise from the main out
I'm definetely not searching for any VST/VSTi.

Okay, perhaps I'm just stupid....

[michat]

Okayyyyyyy

Here is the first one. And sadly the only one I found.
Because I'm working with my DAW only I first have to plug in teh old toys I still have and sample the noise.
This could take a while.

The file is a noise from a Fender Rhodes MKI seventy three through a line6 POD connected to a Yamaha MR1642.

http://rapidshare.com/files/422203491/F ... ne6POD.wav

Edit:

Be careful: it is normalised to -3dB!!!!!

[shalako]

Have you got a microphone? One trick I like to use is to record the room by setting up a microphone and play the track, then mixing the recording back in at a low level adding the room noise and natural reverb to the mix.

[michat]

Have you got a microphone? One trick I like to use is to record the room by setting up a microphone and play the track, then mixing the recording back in at a low level adding the room noise and natural reverb to the mix.

Hi shalako,

yeah, i've got a microphone and I know this trick, but:

I really want noise samples from any synth, fx unit, tape machine and so on.
I do NOT want not just any noise.

You don't use just any EQ with a saturation plugin and a compressor if you want the sound of a revox b77, right?
You would use a impulse response to catch the sound of the tape machine.

And that is what I want to try with noise. Not just any noise.

[mystran]

Just noise is unlikely to do you much good. If you really want noise, just take white or pink noise, it'll probably be close enough, but I suspect much of what you call "noise" is almost certainly slight non-linearities everywhere.

So better idea would be to use some saturation plugin (or ideally replace things like your EQs with something that has non-linearities built in). Use it separately on every track. Then use it on the master. Drive it low enough enough that it doesn't really go to any real saturation (ie 10 or 20dB below the point where you start hearing obvious distortion); the point is not to clip signals, but to get some non-linearities in the signal chain.

Most likely you'll get not just low level harmonic distortion, but also plenty of intermodulation and low-frequency rumble. Treat the low-frequency crap like you'd treat it in analog (high-pass everything below what you really want) and you'll hopefully end up with something where everything sounds a tiny bit muddier alone, but glues nicely together with a natural noise floor.

The problem with sampling noise directly from gear is that you can't usually sample the noise without sampling the sound as well, because the noise is very often dependent on the sound itself, and even if it didn't, it would interact with the actual sound as soon as you pass any non-linearities in the chain. So it's IMHO better to try to recreate the reasons for the noisy sound quality in digital instead. Otherwise you'll just end with a clean digital track that sounds like you've added some noise; something very obviously different from the noisy analog results.

[michat]

Just noise is unlikely to do you much good. If you really want noise, just take white or pink noise, it'll probably be close enough, but I suspect much of what you call "noise" is almost certainly slight non-linearities everywhere.

So better idea would be to use some saturation plugin (or ideally replace things like your EQs with something that has non-linearities built in). Use it separately on every track. Then use it on the master. Drive it low enough enough that it doesn't really go to any real saturation (ie 10 or 20dB below the point where you start hearing obvious distortion); the point is not to clip signals, but to get some non-linearities in the signal chain.

Most likely you'll get not just low level harmonic distortion, but also plenty of intermodulation and low-frequency rumble. Treat the low-frequency crap like you'd treat it in analog (high-pass everything below what you really want) and you'll hopefully end up with something where everything sounds a tiny bit muddier alone, but glues nicely together with a natural noise floor.

Hey mystran, nice to see you here.
Thanks for this, but I'm whether searching for saturation nor a plugin.
I use it very often with Ferric TDS, Ferox and such plugs.

The problem with sampling noise directly from gear is that you can't usually sample the noise without sampling the sound as well, because the noise is very often dependent on the sound itself, and even if it didn't, it would interact with the actual sound as soon as you pass any non-linearities in the chain. So it's IMHO better to try to recreate the reasons for the noisy sound quality in digital instead. Otherwise you'll just end with a clean digital track that sounds like you've added some noise; something very obviously different from the noisy analog results.

And THIS is exactly what I mean, thanks man. You've pointed it out!
I WANT the noise from a unit BECAUSE I want to capture the sound of the unit with the noise! It's like using the IR of a system just you do not shape the signal to sound like the unit.

Let's say I take any bassdrum, add some noise and THEN chain EQ, compressor and some sat/non-linearities to it! The result is totally different from using no noise!
And white noise or other clean noise types would not apply.

Call me stupid but I want to experiment with this!
My IR library contains several gb with sampled reverb and stuff, but also IRs of a MPC, some old tape machines and things like that. Now I need the noise of gear like that.

Really, I mean sampled noise from gear!!!
No VST, no eqing and no white noise.