The 'openness' of Android

[donkey tugger]

I just need a phone that has a good browser, has a good email client, a decent Twitter ad Facebook client and good map software.. and maybe make a decent call as well. All the rest, including music making software, has proved to be crap to use on a phone.

So I'm actually seriously taking Windows Phone 7 as an option as well.

A telephone you say?

£10, some make called 'LG' (I had heard of them). I can make calls and also send musings, missives and observations to people who I know via the medium of 'text message'. Superb.

Tennoh, i reiterate.

<brian sewell> Twitter?, surely thats just for kids, overpaid sportsmen and Stephen Fry. And c**ts (although the aformentioned may also be a subset of the latter) </brian sewell>

[The Chase]

Apple's entirely closed itunes phones

Funny how people in the tech sphere tend to use the word 'closed' as if it was something bad. Arguably in Apple's case, 'closed' means 'polished, orchestrated and most value for the consumer with the least amount of hassle and crap to deal with'. That's a good thing (and worth a slight premium) in my book.

But to each their own, I guess.

Each to their own indeed!

I'd argue that Apple is a carrot-dangling company that offers products that are perfectly capable (as jailbreaking proves) yet deliberately crippled to be behind the curve so that they can cash in a little after people have already spent their money, progressively unlocking last generation's tech features (bringing the carrot a bit closer). I can't share the sentiment that apple is polishing anything, or making you deal with less crap, by not allowing Widgets, WIFI hotspot, vid chat over 3G, file explorer, live backgrounds, tetherless tethering, alternate ipod app, etc. - all of which can be done decently well once jail-broken (and remarkably well on android).

Don't drink the koolaid...

[spaceman]

I'd argue that Apple is a carrot-dangling company that offers products that are perfectly capable (as jailbreaking proves) yet deliberately crippled to be behind the curve so that they can cash in a little after people have already spent their money, progressively unlocking last generation's tech features (bringing the carrot a bit closer).

Without Apple, smartphones would still be stuck in the Nokia era, ie. complete shite.

[siriusbliss]

I'd argue that Apple is a carrot-dangling company that offers products that are perfectly capable (as jailbreaking proves) yet deliberately crippled to be behind the curve so that they can cash in a little after people have already spent their money, progressively unlocking last generation's tech features (bringing the carrot a bit closer).

Without Apple, smartphones would still be stuck in the Nokia era, ie. complete shite.

Perhaps true. (While possibly ignoring Palm's early innovations in 'smart' phones and PDA's).

Apple sits back and watches certain trends emerge and then jumps in and creates a market.

Classic case is the original i-pod - it was NOT the first portable MP3 player on the market, but I know of about 5 now defunct companies that were unable to capitalize on this trend back in the 90's.

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[The Chase]

I'd argue that Apple is a carrot-dangling company that offers products that are perfectly capable (as jailbreaking proves) yet deliberately crippled to be behind the curve so that they can cash in a little after people have already spent their money, progressively unlocking last generation's tech features (bringing the carrot a bit closer).

Without Apple, smartphones would still be stuck in the Nokia era, ie. complete shite.

When the first Iphone came out, it didn't record video, didn't have 3G, didn't have an aim application, couldn't browse with flash, couldn't multitask, no MMS, no widgets/desktop, no copy and paste...I could go on. The Phone I had at the time was the freebie you get with the carrier's contract and it had all of those things. They've managed to keep it proportionately behind the curve with the later models.

We've done this before:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 24#4055024