Supersaw!

[Urs]

The Hoover is indeed a PWM sound, but it's from the alpha Juno series. The Juno 60 does not have an unison mode (maybe the Juno 106 though).

However the Hoover is precedet by the unison feature of the Jupiter8 which afaiaa was the first popular polysynth to sport unison.

[rob_lee]

Hi,

The Dominator Hoover sound by Human Resource was from the Alpha Juno 2

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/ajuno2.php

Although the original hoover sound was created with a Roland Alpha Juno2 there are several replacements to choose from that include, but are certainly not limited to, the Alpha Juno 1, Alpha Juno 2, MKS-50 (Rack version of the Alpha Junos), and the JP-8000. The new Roland Juno G has a few presets that feature the Hoover sound

Rob

[A.M. Gold]

If you excuse my crappy playing, what do you think?

http://www.u-he.com/music/supersaw.wav

Is this close enough to a JP8000? Or do you think it's still too much of a difference?

This sounds like the Superwave synth. Did you use that?

I disagree, I think it sounds much, much better than anything from Superwave.

I do have a JP-8080 and this sounds eerily similar. I look forward to hearing more, Urs.

[Howard]

Maybe its time to come up with a new form of SuperSaw

"Terasaw"

[Teksonik]

To be honest I think Zebra can already do much better than your example...............

[Urs]

I do have a JP-8080 and this sounds eerily similar. I look forward to hearing more, Urs.

Thanks! I'll hopefully have more soon!

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I'm still waiting for someone to insist that it sounds nothing like a JP8000. But that will probably not happen. Maybe because as every 2nd note in the example *is* a JP8080 and only half of them are that softsynth experiment. So I guess, at least for short notes: Mission accomplished

[jupiter8]

Maybe because as every 2nd note in the example *is* a JP8080 and only half of them are that softsynth experiment.

Damn that's cheating. You must tell us so we can tell the huge difference.

[Urs]

To be honest I think Zebra can already do much better than your example...............

It's different. Wait till you hear it more detuned and in stereo. Sounds better than Eleven with a trivial sawtooth IMHO.

[A.M. Gold]

Tricky, Urs, tricky.

Well, there's your eerie similarity, so I guess my ears aren't failing.

But the mere fact that no one screamed "hey, that's two different synths!" must be a good sign.

[parry316raver]

Hi,

The Dominator Hoover sound by Human Resource was from the Alpha Juno 2

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/ajuno2.php

Although the original hoover sound was created with a Roland Alpha Juno2 there are several replacements to choose from that include, but are certainly not limited to, the Alpha Juno 1, Alpha Juno 2, MKS-50 (Rack version of the Alpha Junos), and the JP-8000. The new Roland Juno G has a few presets that feature the Hoover sound

Rob

Thank's Rob


my memory is pretty bad

it must had been an alpha juno 2 my mate had.

maybe santa will shove one down the chimney for me. If he can get one of ebay.


check out this good site for sound examples of old gear.

http://www.synthmania.com/

http://www.synthmania.com/Famous%20Sounds.htm

[Teksonik]

To be honest I think Zebra can already do much better than your example...............

It's different. Wait till you hear it more detuned and in stereo. Sounds better than Eleven with a trivial sawtooth IMHO.

I meant to say a better Supersaw sound not necessarily a better emulation of the JP 8080. 4 Osc's in Eleven mode?

I'm not a huge fan of "supersaws" but I do like big fat saw patches..............

[keel]

Post your sound demo on this midi

http://electrofresh.com/midi-12986-down ... _blue.html

Arpeggio melodies are only way to demostrate superwave sound. I'll waiting. Remember do some filtercut off etc..

Edit; seems to be bad programmed midi, anyway, here is the orginal song

[Urs]

Tricky, Urs, tricky.

Well, there's your eerie similarity, so I guess my ears aren't failing.

Well, everyone should know by now that I love my a/b comparisons with hardware synths. So why tell

But the mere fact that no one screamed "hey, that's two different synths!" must be a good sign.

Indeed.

I must admit though, it only works for short notes. With longer held notes it's easy to spot some subtle differences such as the brighter tone of the softsynth and a slightly different "beating" of the fundamental frequency. I havn't yet bothered to place the phases of the subsaws correctly.

I find though that the spectrum of the sawtooths is well matched, and some superficial stares on an oscilloscpe unveil a stunning resemblence.

Nonetheless, my algo aliases a bit more. It's almost as if the Rolandineers had known of miniBLEPs 5 years early. I'll get that fixed.

[A.M. Gold]

Well it's a given that without some kind of D/A emulation you are going to have a brighter and slightly more "raw" sound from the software. Or are you already incorporating converter emulation into this?

[parry316raver]

what about using an analogue modular system to re-create the supersaw.

Would this give a good result ?

Best

Rob