KVR Audio

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:56 pm

I see you guys are having fun with the names

Ugh, I got a lot of questions, I will try to answer them all.

No its not synthedit, its SM (sorry mac guys

but ive read rumors that later it might be on mac too ), it allows me to do some awesome graphical things.

The oscs are not wavetable so the plugin will load really fast. Im also ASM optimizing it as much as I can so its gonna be light on your cpu.

It has the EQs like the JP too, and the delay as well. Since the JP has no reverb obviously I used an external reverb on the last clip in the end.

As I mentioned I will change the whole logo and name, they were just placeholders in the design process. If anyone has a good name feel free to suggest. Since it doesnt have all the JP features I can maybe call it JP6K ?

I only used a photo for the back panel, that is the electric things, the rest is hand made in good ol Photoshop (it took a while). So does anyone have any documentation on what is considered copyrighted on the synth? The color of it? or the placement of the knobs? or the similarities of the knobs? Its not even 3d, its 2d, so maybe my knobs would have different depths than the real JP ones.

I havent decided if it will be free or not. I was thinking of 30€ ish, but if asking money for "ripping off" then I dont want to risk anything. If its free Roland cant complain coz Im not making profit from it. I guess I could release it free, and put a popup screen on it, and if people find it useful they can donate to have the popup removed. So they are not paying for the synth but the removal of the popup. There is nothing illegal about that.

Also, then I can see if people are interested in my work, and if they will support further development, and then I can invest time on a JP9K which will have everything the JP had, and more things it couldnt have back then.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:57 pm

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xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:17 am

1-2-Many wrote:personally I'd go with
JaPe [ jeyp] 1. to jest; joke; gibe.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:05 am

I honestly don't know the details but I seem to remember D16 Group changing the GUI for Phoscyon after being approached by Roland.

Before:

After:

Again, I have no idea if there is legal grounds for Roland to ask someone to change their GUI but they have been successful in doing so in the past.

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:51 am

IMO Roland did them a favor - the second UI is superior

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:42 am

1-2-Many wrote:IMO Roland did them a favor - the second UI is superior

I thought that too...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:10 am

WOK wrote:
Ingonator wrote:I guess that comment is not so stupid. Is it against copyright to use a photorealistic replication of the original synth as a GUI, even if it contains only a part of the original synth's controls? I don't know.It's ovious that the GUI is based on a photograph of the original synth since even the connections on the rear are identical.
The right side of the plugin is a 1:1 copy:
I was rolling my eyes about the tone of the posting, which sounded a little aggressive imho.
The OP said he will change the name. And only parts of the graphic are a close copy, there are many differences. And Roland doesn't have a patent on ADSR sliders on blue plastik cases

It's not aggressive, it's just honest. If you check my post with the pictures you'll see that the GUI is nothing else than a photograph. It could not be closer to the original synth than that...

PS:
Also check the example from justin3am a few posts above.

Arturia got an OK from Roland for the Jupiter 8V so they could use both the name and a replication of the interface.

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:34 am

Ingonator wrote: the GUI is nothing else than a photograph.

Please dont make statements like that. I mentioned that only the back panel with the connectors is from a photograph, the rest I made myself, so its more than a photograph, because its not. Then maybe I should switch the amp and filter panel, and it will be different.

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:54 am

Man, I'd take that as a mad photoshop skill compliment. It does look like a realistic hardware unit photo. If I had graphics skills like THAT!!... who am I kidding, I still wouldn't do anything useful with it

synaesthesia · Post by **synaesthesia** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:21 am

Hey Adam, as a former JP8000 owner I was very impressed with those brief demos.

I think that it's going to save you a lot of time and heartache later on if you come up with a GUI that really isn't comparable to the original synth. Roland will come down on you (if history's anything to go by) and you don't need to invite the grief when you're making a great synth.

Have a real think about how you can make it look different (that Phoscyon example is a very useful one) but still as beautiful as the original - you clearly have some great Photoshop skills.

Cheers.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:33 am

adamtrance wrote:
Ingonator wrote: the GUI is nothing else than a photograph.
Please dont make statements like that. I mentioned that only the back panel with the connectors is from a photograph, the rest I made myself, so its more than a photograph, because its not. Then maybe I should switch the amp and filter panel, and it will be different.

Sorry, i didn't know that but the result is almost 100% realistic. Of course with only a photograph you could not have moving faders etc.Maybe your design is a bit too close to the original thing. I am no synth designer myself but like i said i don't know if this could cause some problems.

Don't misunderstand me, i like having an emulation with an authentic GUI like this.

About Supersaw/Hypersaw: I just sampled some of my own sounds for my "HyperOSC" synth for AAS Tassman 4 to use the samples for a soundbank i'm doing now. With the Tassman oscillators i used in that synth you could also use other waveforms like Square, pulse or PWM.

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:02 am

I dont really know if I will have the man hours to make a new gui from scratch. It would delay development for a while, as I got a thousand other things to do as well. But the question is, if I make it free with the current gui, would Roland still send his men in black suits after me? I mean I wont be making any profit from their "design".

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:05 am

adamtrance wrote:I dont really know if I will have the man hours to make a new gui from scratch. It would delay development for a while, as I got a thousand other things to do as well. But the question is, if I make it free with the current gui, would Roland still send his men in black suits after me? I mean I wont be making any profit from their "design".

Sure make a little profit based on their designs, so many users would say "oh it looks like the JP" and would take a look on it

jobromedia · Post by **jobromedia** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:39 am

Frankly I don't give much a darn what you call this beast, as long as you drop a PM in my inbox telling me when I can start to create patches for it.

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:44 am

adamtrance wrote:I dont really know if I will have the man hours to make a new gui from scratch. It would delay development for a while, as I got a thousand other things to do as well. But the question is, if I make it free with the current gui, would Roland still send his men in black suits after me? I mean I wont be making any profit from their "design".

Yes, yes they will. Flintlock Juno 106 anyone? That was VERY free and he got nailed with a cease and desist in seconds (well truth be told I think it was a good few hours after release). If you really want I can go drag up the actual threads from 2003, but I can't be ass'd atm.

Now, I know his one was 100% hand drawn (in paint, quite cartoony actually

) copy of a 106 + actual Roland logos etc, but can you imagine how they'd go on about this?

Obviously I'm no "nay sayer", and I really want this to get released, cause it sounds MINT, but like the others said, it's about perception at the end of the day for Roland. If they can show this unit to a mildy knowledgeable synth enthusiast, with all the logos covered up, and he goes "Hmmm, definitely Roland, but which model... hmmmm", that's when they nail you even if you didn't use the name or any of they actual bits and pieces. Yes, copyright law has become so frugal that if something just reminds you of something else too easily, or too much, they'll try their luck to get to you.

With all that said I'd just like to reiterate my prior statements:
I realy Really REALLY hope this gets sorted and doesn't get put on a dusty cyber shelf never to be heard of again!

George

PS: ...and if it doesn't get released, at least do me favour and send me an Alpha copy! Please

@jobromedia YOU AND ME ALIKE BUDDY, can't wait

JP6K 1.7 update (64 bit)