KVR Audio

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:36 pm

Yeah, regarding multiple layers, I can see the benefits of both. Better to have the extra layers in case they are wanted I suppose.

Question about the sample oscillator: Is it either vocoder/resynthesis of samples? Or can you load the sample just as a sample? Can it pitch without the length changing (ie. timestretch?) or any kind of granular like functionality?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:46 pm

so modest Raphael

rsp

b-pole · Post by **b-pole** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:48 pm

the nice GUI is a little bit "reFXed"

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:49 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Yeah, regarding multiple layers, I can see the benefits of both. Better to have the extra layers in case they are wanted I suppose.

Just think of them as extra oscillators. Each layer has 3 oscillators. So in total, with all layers used, you have 12 oscillators! ( that's not counting the various unison oscillators).

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:50 pm

Uh, no one said that it's not a cpu hog, also with all the stuff going

This is another good point, IMO

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:51 pm

I assume that the four layers act as essentially four independent synths with no ability to cross-modulate parameters on different layers/synths?

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:52 pm

zvenx wrote:do these layers respond to different midi channels if so desired?

rsp

Yes! and independent poly/mono modes and pitch wheel, which is great, since you could set up a polyphonic arpeggio or a sequence, and play a mono lead line on top using a pitch wheel which will affect only the lead line. I think that's cool, and a great design for people who want to load a sound and play, rather than faff around with setting up multiple synths and midi channels in a DAW.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:53 pm

MaxSynths wrote:Uh, no one said that it's not a cpu hog, also with all the stuff going
This is another good point, IMO

Well, FWIW, they did say:

...remarkable low CPU usage for an instrument as feature-rich as ElectraX.

Whatever that means.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:53 pm

himalaya wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Yeah, regarding multiple layers, I can see the benefits of both. Better to have the extra layers in case they are wanted I suppose.
Just think of them as extra oscillators. Each layer has 3 oscillators. So in total, with all layers used, you have 12 oscillators! ( that's not counting the various unison oscillators).

Do all 4 layers go through the same filters and use the same amp and filter envelopes? I was under the impression the layers were completely separate full signal paths with their own filters and such.

Xenos · Post by **Xenos** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:56 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
himalaya wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Yeah, regarding multiple layers, I can see the benefits of both. Better to have the extra layers in case they are wanted I suppose.
Just think of them as extra oscillators. Each layer has 3 oscillators. So in total, with all layers used, you have 12 oscillators! ( that's not counting the various unison oscillators).
Do all 4 layers go through the same filters and use the same amp and filter envelopes? I was under the impression the layers were completely separate full signal paths with their own filters and such.

They are all completely independent of each other. Each layer has its own filters, envelopes, etc.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:58 pm

And there are cool copy/paste options, so that one layer/parts of it can be copied to others, saving work.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:59 pm

himalaya wrote:And to add about the layers, they do come into their own for split-sounds, as xenos mentions, but most specifically for setting up cool arpeggiated sounds, where one layer has the arp on creating a complex rhythm, the other layer could have a pad (non arpeggiated), then the third some other sound, etc. It's just very inspiring to have so much sound under your fingertips - when you desire so. It definitely beats having to load several synths, set up midi channels in order to play one sound live when the inspiration strikes. Obviously, not all layers have to be used, and just one will be enough to create complex/simple/warm/cold/silky/harsh (delete as applicable) sounds. Anyway, enough from me.

I am just not interested in it cause using an instrument rack in Live, I can drag another instance of a synth, or different synth, layer them, split the keyboard, velocity split, with blending etc in seconds and drag it to the browser - made and saved faster than if it is in a single synth. Plus each layer can have its own effects chain including 3rd party stuff and midi effects including step sequencers or arps...

Glad you like it though!

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:59 pm

Cyforce wrote:Looks really powerful - but the knob in the gui doesn't looking good

Agreed! Horrid faux-3D knobs. Hopefully that's a skinning option.

But knobs wouldn't sway me one way or another. After all, I'm a Poly-Ana lover!

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:02 pm

pdxindy wrote:
himalaya wrote:And to add about the layers, they do come into their own for split-sounds, as xenos mentions, but most specifically for setting up cool arpeggiated sounds, where one layer has the arp on creating a complex rhythm, the other layer could have a pad (non arpeggiated), then the third some other sound, etc. It's just very inspiring to have so much sound under your fingertips - when you desire so. It definitely beats having to load several synths, set up midi channels in order to play one sound live when the inspiration strikes. Obviously, not all layers have to be used, and just one will be enough to create complex/simple/warm/cold/silky/harsh (delete as applicable) sounds. Anyway, enough from me.
I am just not interested in it cause using an instrument rack in Live, I can drag another instance of a synth, or different synth, layer them, split the keyboard, velocity split, with blending etc in seconds and drag it to the browser - made and saved faster than if it is in a single synth. Plus each layer can have its own effects chain including 3rd party stuff and midi effects including step sequencers or arps...

Glad you like it though!

+1

@Tone2

Audio Demos???

or Audio demos from the preset programmers would be good..

Rob

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:03 pm

pdxindy wrote:
himalaya wrote:And to add about the layers, they do come into their own for split-sounds, as xenos mentions, but most specifically for setting up cool arpeggiated sounds, where one layer has the arp on creating a complex rhythm, the other layer could have a pad (non arpeggiated), then the third some other sound, etc. It's just very inspiring to have so much sound under your fingertips - when you desire so. It definitely beats having to load several synths, set up midi channels in order to play one sound live when the inspiration strikes. Obviously, not all layers have to be used, and just one will be enough to create complex/simple/warm/cold/silky/harsh (delete as applicable) sounds. Anyway, enough from me.
I am just not interested in it cause using an instrument rack in Live, I can drag another instance of a synth, or different synth, layer them, split the keyboard, velocity split, with blending etc in seconds and drag it to the browser - made and saved faster than if it is in a single synth. Plus each layer can have its own effects chain including 3rd party stuff and midi effects including step sequencers or arps...

Glad you like it though!

Do you mean to say that you are not interested in a synth that offers 12 oscillators ? Don't think 'layers' but think 'potential'.

Available soon: Tone2 ElectraX