Available soon: Tone2 ElectraX

[Teksonik]

Yep got to check the filters for sure. I imagine they will be similar to those found in Gladiator?

Himalaya, can the layers be delayed by a certain amount of time? Would make for some nice wavesequencing................

[himalaya]

Sure we can layer up all the synths we want and I do that all the time (4 times Synth 1 is a lot of fun, Albino Zebra and Alchemy layered together can make some crazy sounds etc etc) but there is the challenge of creating a patch within the confines of a synth itself that is one of my true joys.

Looking forward to giving this synth a go and another one that's due out about the same time as well.........

(edit in bold in quote mine)
Exactly ! Thank you again Teksonik! At least some reason and enthusiasm.

Some of us have been layering synth back when midi was first released upon the world. I can't imagine a single musician/producer who hasn't done layering using hardware synths/DAWs. That's a given. It is the way of the world. It is like yang and yang. But, here is a new synth that make it ULTRA easy, fast, and fun, with very flexible and great sounding synthsis options. I don't see a reason to complain and throw a hissy because of it.

[pdxindy]

I just made an instrument rack in Live with 3 instances of Zebra. The workflow goes like this:

Drag an instance of Zebra from the browser to a track.
Select the preset I want.
Hit Command-G which groups the selection (1 synth in this case) into an instrument rack.
Option drag the 1st layer to make a second layer with the same synth/preset
Option drag to make a 3rd layer.
set the octave down one on layer 2
Set the master detune down a couple cents on the 3rd layer.
Drag the rack to the browser... everything I just did is saved as a rack preset.
Fast, efficient, took me less than a minute and can be recalled via drag-n-drop

.

The workflow in ElectraX goes like this:

- Load an instance of ElectraX

That's it!

Are you sure your workflow is that fast and efficient ?

Yes, if we are going to ignore that work of creating the preset, then yes

the workflow for me goes like this... load an instrument rack... done... just as fast... except mine can have any combination of any synth and effects including ElectraX

[pdxindy]

Also, your argumnet against layers in a synth, and for layering in a DAW is only pertaining to you, and you alone. Yet, you have the cheek to tell someone who says that his host is not as good at layering (as your host) you recommend him the Kore...so an extra expenditure and extra time in having to learn another product is your answer to a simple synth which offers beautiful and streamlined layering with very flexible synthesis options... your argument does not make sense to me.

You mean I am the only person using Ableton Live???? Whoa... I am much more important to their bottom line than I realized!! I bet they listen to me more now that I know that

Yes, if he gets Kore, he can create presets with any synth and effect in layers, splits etc etc etc... far more capable and flexible than one synth that could do that... And the Kore software is not much more than this synth is likely to be and he/she gets that capability with every synth and effect he has or will get in the future... yes, that is a terrible suggestion.

[Brittlestem]

I just made an instrument rack in Live with 3 instances of Zebra. The workflow goes like this:

Drag an instance of Zebra from the browser to a track.
Select the preset I want.
Hit Command-G which groups the selection (1 synth in this case) into an instrument rack.
Option drag the 1st layer to make a second layer with the same synth/preset
Option drag to make a 3rd layer.
set the octave down one on layer 2
Set the master detune down a couple cents on the 3rd layer.
Drag the rack to the browser... everything I just did is saved as a rack preset.
Fast, efficient, took me less than a minute and can be recalled via drag-n-drop

.

The workflow in ElectraX goes like this:

- Load an instance of ElectraX

That's it!

Are you sure your workflow is that fast and efficient ?

Yes, if we are going to ignore that work of creating the preset, then yes

the workflow for me goes like this... load an instrument rack... done... just as fast... except mine can have any combination of any synth and effects including ElectraX

But no-one's forcing you to use all of Electrax/Albinos/Omnispheres/whatever's layers.
But you can see they are useful to those who can't or don't want to use Live/use Kore, so what you whining on about?

[himalaya]

Himalaya, can the layers be delayed by a certain amount of time? Would make for some nice wavesequencing................

I don't think you can delay a layer. But, a pseudo wave-sequencing can still be done with the step sequencer and a new very cool feature: the PW knob performs some brilliant magic *depending* on the oscillator type selected. What you do, assign an LFO to the PW knob, a square or sample and hold shape would be a good start, then modulate the LFO rate a bit, and you will get some very nice wavetable-like sweeps.

This synth comes from the maker of Gladiator, so the oscillator section is fabulous! There are some extra cool oscillator types there.


Another thing about layers:

When Tone 2 released Gladiator I asked Markus for a more flexible routing options, so that each oscillator could be routed to its own envelope/filter. Now, here is ElectraX which has fullfiled my request ( a dream, more like) and them some! Personally I really enjoy having one GUI open and just concentrating on this to make a complex sound. I mean, nobody is complaining that ALchemy has so many synthesis options which can be layered, right ? I mean, according to some posters here, we should NOT be impressed by that as we could just load an instance of an additive synth, then an instance of a granular synth, a VA synth, a sample playback synth, all in our DAW, and layer there....And yet how pleasurable it is to do all that layering in Alchemy !

[himalaya]

I just made an instrument rack in Live with 3 instances of Zebra. The workflow goes like this:

Drag an instance of Zebra from the browser to a track.
Select the preset I want.
Hit Command-G which groups the selection (1 synth in this case) into an instrument rack.
Option drag the 1st layer to make a second layer with the same synth/preset
Option drag to make a 3rd layer.
set the octave down one on layer 2
Set the master detune down a couple cents on the 3rd layer.
Drag the rack to the browser... everything I just did is saved as a rack preset.
Fast, efficient, took me less than a minute and can be recalled via drag-n-drop

.

The workflow in ElectraX goes like this:

- Load an instance of ElectraX

That's it!

Are you sure your workflow is that fast and efficient ?

Yes, if we are going to ignore that work of creating the preset, then yes

the workflow for me goes like this... load an instrument rack... done... just as fast... except mine can have any combination of any synth and effects including ElectraX

An instrument rack has to be first created! So you are conveniently forgetting that to do what ElectraX does, you DO have to spend much more time and effort.

Perhaps you are fast in your DAW and can accomplish that with no sweat, but other users may not. See beyond yourself. There's more outside of you than you can imagine.

[himalaya]

Also, your argumnet against layers in a synth, and for layering in a DAW is only pertaining to you, and you alone. Yet, you have the cheek to tell someone who says that his host is not as good at layering (as your host) you recommend him the Kore...so an extra expenditure and extra time in having to learn another product is your answer to a simple synth which offers beautiful and streamlined layering with very flexible synthesis options... your argument does not make sense to me.

You mean I am the only person using Ableton Live???? Whoa... I am much more important to their bottom line than I realized!! I bet they listen to me more now that I know that

Yes, if he gets Kore, he can create presets with any synth and effect in layers, splits etc etc etc... far more capable and flexible than one synth that could do that... And the Kore software is not much more than this synth is likely to be and he/she gets that capability with every synth and effect he has or will get in the future... yes, that is a terrible suggestion.

Read carefully what I wrote. I write about your workflow, which is exclusive to yourself, even if other users will go through similar or the same motions, overall, what you do in your host is exclusive to you only.

And yes, suggesting that somneone buys another product, spend money and time having to learn in order to do some easy layering is silly. The reason? What if that person just wants to layer a few complex synth sounds, quickly and easy, they will be served better by a synth like ElectraX ( or *any* synth that allows for easy layering) than more products, more money spent, more time wasted having to install, learn, etc. Come on, you really do not see it ?

[pdxindy]

I just made an instrument rack in Live with 3 instances of Zebra. The workflow goes like this:

Drag an instance of Zebra from the browser to a track.
Select the preset I want.
Hit Command-G which groups the selection (1 synth in this case) into an instrument rack.
Option drag the 1st layer to make a second layer with the same synth/preset
Option drag to make a 3rd layer.
set the octave down one on layer 2
Set the master detune down a couple cents on the 3rd layer.
Drag the rack to the browser... everything I just did is saved as a rack preset.
Fast, efficient, took me less than a minute and can be recalled via drag-n-drop

.

The workflow in ElectraX goes like this:

- Load an instance of ElectraX

That's it!

Are you sure your workflow is that fast and efficient ?

Yes, if we are going to ignore that work of creating the preset, then yes

the workflow for me goes like this... load an instrument rack... done... just as fast... except mine can have any combination of any synth and effects including ElectraX

An instrument rack has to be first created! So you are conveniently forgetting that to do what ElectraX does, you DO have to spend much more time and effort.

Perhaps you are fast in your DAW and can accomplish that with no sweat, but other users may not. See beyond yourself. There's more outside of you than you can imagine.

Wow!! That is an amazing synth... It just magically makes presets and nobody has to spend any time at all making them... Seems like that is gonna put you sound designers out of business!

I will definitely get it if just the barest thought and a new preset just appears ready on the track and it is exactly what I hadn't even yet thought I wanted!

[pdxindy]

And yes, suggesting that somneone buys another product, spend money and time having to learn in order to do some easy layering is silly.

Oh the irony!! You are suggesting he buy another product, spend money and time having to learn it in order to do some easy layering.

[himalaya]

And yes, suggesting that somneone buys another product, spend money and time having to learn in order to do some easy layering is silly.

Oh the irony!! You are suggesting he buy another product, spend money and time having to learn it in order to do some easy layering.

Only if he is interested in such a synth, which his participation in this thread proves that he is. He did not participate in a 'The Kore' thread.
In case you failed to notice, ElectraX is not *JUST* about layering, it has original synthesis options which other synths do not have, so yes, him buying The Kore and using other synths will not accomplish what he could do with one instance of ElectraX.

[K-Slash]

Hi himalaya,

Did you designed some presets for it if I understood right ? How cool is that new synth ?

Can we say it's surgical, or warm, if you see what I mean ?!

[Happy Frog]

If layering gives us 12 osc's, and it has a Supersaw, I would like to hear that.

[himalaya]

I just made an instrument rack in Live with 3 instances of Zebra. The workflow goes like this:

Drag an instance of Zebra from the browser to a track.
Select the preset I want.
Hit Command-G which groups the selection (1 synth in this case) into an instrument rack.
Option drag the 1st layer to make a second layer with the same synth/preset
Option drag to make a 3rd layer.
set the octave down one on layer 2
Set the master detune down a couple cents on the 3rd layer.
Drag the rack to the browser... everything I just did is saved as a rack preset.
Fast, efficient, took me less than a minute and can be recalled via drag-n-drop

.

The workflow in ElectraX goes like this:

- Load an instance of ElectraX

That's it!

Are you sure your workflow is that fast and efficient ?

Yes, if we are going to ignore that work of creating the preset, then yes

the workflow for me goes like this... load an instrument rack... done... just as fast... except mine can have any combination of any synth and effects including ElectraX

An instrument rack has to be first created! So you are conveniently forgetting that to do what ElectraX does, you DO have to spend much more time and effort.

Perhaps you are fast in your DAW and can accomplish that with no sweat, but other users may not. See beyond yourself. There's more outside of you than you can imagine.

Wow!! That is an amazing synth... It just magically makes presets and nobody has to spend any time at all making them... Seems like that is gonna put you sound designers out of business!

I will definitely get it if just the barest thought and a new preset just appears ready on the track and it is exactly what I hadn't even yet thought I wanted!

Why are you being silly ?
What did you do in your workflow list, at the second stage? Did you not select a Zebra preset? Yes you did. Same, you can do that in ElectraX, except all the layering is accomplished much faster than creation of your layerd Instrument Rack.

[ezelkow1]

So Himalaya, how do you think this compares to alchemy since I know you have alot of experience with that one. They seem pretty similar