KVR Audio

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:08 am

bump for encouragement

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:51 am

folks what are you talking about? Roland lawyers my S

what you advise the man right now is take a treatment before you're ill

let him see if Roland goes after him, after all, all they can demand is the cease of the plugin distribution cause of the UI resemblance, ONLY THEN he will be forced to change the UI in order to be able to put the plugin back up, why give yourself trouble to deal with this right now when everything's quiet, instead of focusing on more important developing stages?

what they won't be able to do though is recall all the copies downloaded up until their order

what if Roland never shows up? that will mean he's just spent a whole lotta valuable time on a secondary task

and if he sooner or later absolutely has to redesign the UI, it's best later than otherwise

and yeah copyright laws seem ridiculously preposterous

i wonder whether it's copyright violation to paint a tree growing on a private land
copyright laws in many cases are just the means to extort money

martin_l · Post by **martin_l** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:32 am

I wonder what makes Roland go after some emulation. It seems that they don't go after everything, even if an vst openly claims to emulate a Roland synth. Some examples here in the KVR list are:

TAL U-NO 62 (http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=show&id=2813)
Stumm PG-23P (http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=show&id=1592)

Does anybody know whether these guys also have been contacted by Roland?

Is it just down to the name in the end, since both of the examples above also have a UI resembling the hardware?

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:48 am

LXNDR1 wrote:let him see if Roland goes after him, after all, all they can demand is the cease of the plugin distribution cause of the UI resemblance, ONLY THEN he will be forced to change the UI in order to be able to put the plugin back up, why give yourself trouble to deal with this right now when everything's quiet, instead of focusing on more important developing stages?

Ah thank you for for your trust in me, but I was having a second thought and I decided I will change the GUI a bit, because I do not wish to get under the Roland radar in any way. Also, changing the gui made me think of a few things I wouldn't have thought of otherwise, so this redesign will have inspiration from another synth (u'll see

) but the overall gui design should be more "mine" and unique.

But this whole gui copyright thing is too complicate. Indeed some synths have had to be redesigned, but others that still resemble roland dont have to be. So whats the borderline?

Also, can I write "Super Saw" as the oscillator type on my new gui? Urs says its not copyrighted but others say it is. Either way, if roland has a problem with that, is gonna be easier to fix than doing a third gui.

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:48 am

adamtrance wrote: Also, can I write "Super Saw" as the oscillator type on my new gui? Urs says its not copyrighted but others say it is. Either way, if roland has a problem with that, is gonna be easier to fix than doing a third gui.

you could encrypt the term with a homophonic phrase like 'Sue Per Saw' which Roland should like since it attempts to pay homage to their copyright protection policies

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:55 am

LXNDR1 wrote: copyright laws in many cases are just the means to extort money

Until someone steals your Music.............

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:07 am

Teksonik wrote:
LXNDR1 wrote: copyright laws in many cases are just the means to extort money
Until someone steals your Music.............

well i was obviously referring to the cases where IT IS the means to extort money, there's no shortage in legitimate copyright claims

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:47 am

KVR: Full of intellectual property attorneys.

Blue Wind Project · Post by **Blue Wind Project** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:14 am

LBN wrote:KVR: Full of intellectual property attorneys.

LOL...was thinking the same thing...the KVR forum is the place to be
if you are feeling blue and need a good laugh to brighten your day.

synaesthesia · Post by **synaesthesia** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:24 pm

LBN wrote:KVR: Full of intellectual property attorneys.

It's interesting how many people on here who must have some intentions towards a career where intellectual property rights (and the protection thereof) are the key to them ever being able to make any money, and yet a) don't appear to know the first thing about IPR law, and/or b) don't seem to give a f*&k about it.

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:26 pm

LBN wrote:KVR: Full of intellectual property attorneys.

seems like that sometimes

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:05 pm

Rangtangtang wrote:
LBN wrote:KVR: Full of intellectual property attorneys.
seems like that sometimes

Yup, but at the same time KVR is scattered with people who are so self centred / righteous / close minded that they think that if they don't know, no one else does either.

Everyone recognised it as a [R]oland spin off. That should suffice as cause for change (specifically as the dev said he's NOT interested in getting into a tussle with Roland). It comes down to common sense, which I do realise is NOT that common these days

Cheers,
GeorgeZ

PS: friendly *WHEN IS THIS B!TCH GETTING RELEASED?!?* bump

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:46 pm

LXNDR1 wrote:let him see if Roland goes after him, after all, all they can demand is the cease of the plugin distribution cause of the UI resemblance, ONLY THEN he will be forced to change the UI in order to be able to put the plugin back up, why give yourself trouble to deal with this right now when everything's quiet, instead of focusing on more important developing stages?

Depends on the country he's living in.
Here in Germany you can be sued directly for using something copyrighted - even the case does not go to court, the lawyers could send you a bill in the amount of 2 or 3 month loan by law. And expensive experience for an experiment.....

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:11 pm

GeorgeZ wrote: Everyone recognised it as a [R]oland spin off. That should suffice as cause for change

all legal talk aside

do you think this fact is bad by definition and in itself and the dev deserves to be humiliated for or ashamed of allegedly not posessing enough artistic skills and creative imagination to design an original GUI?

in such a case i don't see how the attempt at this specific synth emulation is more 'normal' and 'acceptable' than visualizing the attempt by this specific synth imagery or design echoing the synth's original design. then we need to start bashing for a mere thought of emulating anything, and for arrogance to admit it. be original, you loser

but i guess i get the whole point of it. in hobbyist and non-commercial software development, allusions are safe only when they point at lousy, poor, unpopular, long forgotten and altogether obscure devices, otherwise someone might feel (or someone might feel that someone might feel) that you're trying to build on their success and multimillion $$ empire with lawyers on a payroll, and even undermine their credibility, which is an absolutely scandalous and outrageous idea

jobromedia · Post by **jobromedia** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:15 am

I'm in no way a lawyer. I'm just a humble dude who tries to create intresting plugins. So let's take that into account. So Roland has created what they call a supersaw. Fine. I hope they get a decent amount of money on their accounts for that.

Either you go out full in your effort to create an emulation of the JP8000, and talk with Roland about your plans. Propose a business suggestion. Negotiate with them, try to get them supporting your plans and get the rights to release the plugin. This is the first step I'd done. Tell them that if you don't get a response from them before a set date then you take that as a YES to release your plugin. :>

Or. Release the plugin as a low cost version with a supersaw renamed to multisaw with 5 sawtooths in it. You can get allmost the same quality as a supersaw by modulating the individual sawtooths with a LFO with different speeds.

JP6K 1.7 update (64 bit)