JP6K 1.7 update (64 bit)

[LXNDR1]

why would they care for a product that they no longer produce..

that's what negatively amazes me in some applications of so called intellectual property laws, they get exploited in a zeal to make a living from past successes or past, period

when you produce a physical good you sell it and that's that, you profit once, but here you can reap profits as long as your copyright holds without even having to still produce the good

[adamszabo]

Hehe, this thread became quite big.

Kvr is a funny place. People have been saying "Man, I would even pay 100€ for a proper JP emulation." "why arent there any supersaw emulations?" "why doesnt someone make one?"

And when I make one, people make it sound like Im a bad guy who is trolling in the internet forest and I would deliberately cause "damage" to Roland.

I dont know about you people, but the GUI and look of a synth plays a crucial role in how much I will enjoy it and how I will use it. If the GUI is crap, I will not be inspired at all. If the GUI is good I will make nicer sounds and I will feel better and be motivated. If I have a JP-8000-ish image on the screen I will want to make trance. It will remind me of the good old 2000's when trance was not crap like now, and It will put me in a special state of mind. If I have a different gui, maybe I will not be inspired that much, and my mindset will take my music in a different direction. I dont know.

But im getting too philosophical here, the question is, why are we emulating the GUI? Why do so many synths have rusty knobs when you cant have rust in a software? Why are we emulating old patch chords, when we can have matrixes and why are we emulating the limitations hardware had when software has almost no limits?

Because those are things we love, and its for that reason that it will put us in a special state of mind or nostalgia, or whatever it may be for each individual.

With my synth, I wanted to achieve that. I wanted a synth that when I look at it, I will think its a JP-80x0, and it will put me in the right mood. Thats what I wanted. Not more, not less. But it seems its a problem, and I admit it was foolish of myself to "rip-off" a non existent software, because it would only be ripping off if I would actually make a copy of the hardware.

But anyway, thank you for the constructive criticisms, Im at the end of my university years, and I dont want to start off "life" as some trolling criminal who steals guis. I had no idea about that Roland is horny for hunting gui stealer people, and I didnt know that there were cases where they contacted the developers to stop what they are doing.

So copyright here, copyright there, I have stated that I will make a new gui (maybe I should remove the original gui from the first page?). It will be blue like now, it will have that grainy background, and it will have different knobs placements. It will also have a big knob, and it will be like the knob in the Virus Control: A big knob that will represent the harmonics in the centre. You cant copyright a knob showing harminc content change while turning the knob. I will also write "Super Saw" as the oscillator type because until someone shows me a document that "Super Saw" is copyrighted, I will use it (yes I did my homework, I searched but couldnt find anything). I will not write its an ultrasaw, or multisaw, or megasaw or holy shmoly saw. Because I dont know what those are. What I do know is that mine is a Super Saw, and if thats what its called, then thats what its called.

[trimph1]

Is Roland the only company that has gone after GUI's? I'd really like to know because it seems that some synths---like CYNTHIA can be done without someone getting all bothered by it's existence---

This reminds me of Coka Cola's trawling through all kinds of Dollhouse furniture makers businesses looking for signs that 1/12 scale coke bottles were being---ohmygod! ---sold!!

[LXNDR1]

Because those are things we love, and its for that reason that it will put us in a special state of mind or nostalgia, or whatever it may be for each individual.

man, you and we are not allowed to get nostalgic for free or without permission, cause someone might get upset and you don't want to enjoy your melancholy at the expense of other people's grief, do you? sometimes being nostalgic is against the law

phew!

[DrGonzo]

Kvr is a funny place. People have been saying "Man, I would even pay 100€ for a proper JP emulation." "why arent there any supersaw emulations?" "why doesnt someone make one?"

And when I make one, people make it sound like Im a bad guy who is trolling in the internet forest and I would deliberately cause "damage" to Roland.

It's quite fun, isn't it? I guess this is why I'm hanging here so much. It's like Jerry Springer.

[synaesthesia]

@AdamTrance. Having read thorugh this thread and occasionally contributed, I'm pretty sure that most of the "be careful" copyright advice you've been given has been out of an attitude of wanting to see the synth come out and wanting you to not get into an unnecessary trouble. I don't think anyone's accusing you of wanting to be some kind of deliberate rip-off merchant.

Your decision to change the GUI is sensible, so case closed I think.

Looking forward to seeing the final product mate.

[LXNDR1]

there's also a proverb 'you don't show half-done work to a fool'
there's another one 'haste makes waste'

not sure whether Adam is himself happy that he kinda jumped the gun a little bit on this one

[adamszabo]

not sure whether Adam is himself happy that he kinda jumped the gun a little bit on this one

I dont know what that means, I havent heared that saying before so I hope it doesnt mean anything bad, but once the new gui is done, everybody will be happy and we will all "hold hands and run naked in the sand" (guess where thats from)

[synaesthesia]

everybody will be happy and we will all "hold hands and run naked in the sand" (guess where thats from)

Is it the Bible?

[LXNDR1]

everybody will be happy and we will all "hold hands and run naked in the sand" (guess where thats from)

Is it the Bible?

a nudist Bible

[Shabdahbriah]

@AdamTrance. Having read thorugh this thread and occasionally contributed, I'm pretty sure that most of the "be careful" copyright advice you've been given has been out of an attitude of wanting to see the synth come out and wanting you to not get into an unnecessary trouble. I don't think anyone's accusing you of wanting to be some kind of deliberate rip-off merchant.

Your decision to change the GUI is sensible, so case closed I think.

Looking forward to seeing the final product mate.

+1... absolutely.


~S~

[sorohanro]

Too cold here to run naked, but heck, if you'll do it please let me know or post photos

[adamszabo]

Is it the Bible?

Almost its Tenacious D

[AdmiralQuality]

I will also write "Super Saw" as the oscillator type because until someone shows me a document that "Super Saw" is copyrighted, I will use it (yes I did my homework, I searched but couldnt find anything).

Copyright doesn't apply here. You inherently own copyright on any piece of software you create (same with any piece of art, writing, photography -- anything made of information).

What you mean is "trademarked". "Roland" is a trademark, and using a look-alike name and font that says "Ronald" could easily be seen as infringement on that trademark.

But "super saw" doesn't appear to be trademarked. Look in the JP-8000 manual ( http://media.rolandus.com/manuals/JP-8000_OM.pdf ) on page 21, they say "SUPER SAW" but there's no ® symbol next to it. Same thing on the specs page (p. 129) And a quick search on http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=s ... n2l01m.1.1 doesn't show any "super saw". So, "super saw" is not a trademark! You're good to go.

They can't copyright the look of a piece of hardware (well, they can try but they're reaching). That would mean that, say, I couldn't paint a painting that had a car in it without being sued by the makers of that car. Yes, if I made a factory to make clone VW Bugs I might get sued (although there's lots of cases of companies that do exactly that, produce unofficial reproduction parts). But if I write a book with a VW Bug appearing in it, or draw a picture of a VW Bug, that's absolutely fair usage. You can't go filling the world with some item, then forbid people from depicting that item in other forms. If Brad Pitt walks down the street and I take a photo of him, I own that photo, not Brad. (But I can't use that photo to sell my salad dressing. As he's no doubt trademarked his own likeness.)

MAYBE if you were making hardware that stole their industrial design they'd have a case. But you're not, you've created an artistic work, that happens to be a representation of a real-world thing. But the GUI image is NOT the real thing, can't be confused with the real thing, so again I think there's no case here.

If I were you I'd put this out exactly as-is, just change "Ronald" to something else.

[DrGonzo]

If I were you I'd put this out exactly as-is, just change "Ronald" to something else.

Donald, then.