Help identifyng chords

[djryanmiles]

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[Bobbotov]

You really need to learn how to figure these things out yourself. It is an extremely simplistic chord structure and I am sure that if you spend a few minutes with a keyboard and playing along you can find the chords yourself. Don't be lazy.

I will give you a hint: The first chord is Dm/a.

[Ogg Vorbis]

You really need to learn how to figure these things out yourself. It is an extremely simplistic chord structure and I am sure that if you spend a few minutes with a keyboard and playing along you can find the chords yourself. Don't be lazy.

I will give you a hint: The first chord is Dm/a.

Wow, tough love on KVR...I like it! Now PLEASE nobody suggest a free plug-in which will automatically render the answers.

[Bobbotov]

You really need to learn how to figure these things out yourself. It is an extremely simplistic chord structure and I am sure that if you spend a few minutes with a keyboard and playing along you can find the chords yourself. Don't be lazy.

I will give you a hint: The first chord is Dm/a.

Wow, tough love on KVR...I like it! Now PLEASE nobody suggest a free plug-in which will automatically render the answers.

What's that old adage: "If I give you a fish you will eat today but if you learn how to fish you will eat for the rest of your life."

[djryanmiles]

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[Bobbotov]

As i try to help other guys at this forum if there're things that i'm trying to learn and i need help i think i have the liberty for asking here and if somebody could help me great. I'm not making new topics very often for asking people.
So if you don't want to help simply don't reply the post.

I had a feeling you would respond this way. I am helping you to help yourself. If you are going to learn you have to contribute to that process. Learning music is not a passive endeavor. Make an effort and I bet you may surprise yourself.

Let's say I give you the chords to this tune what do you next time you come across a song you want to learn? When do you acquire the ability to listen to any song and have the ability to identify the chords, scales, melody, key, etc. How do you train your ear if someone does it for you? You can't and consequently it will limit your ability to progress musically. You will always be dependent on someone else to do the heavy lifting.

Do you know any chords? Can you not listen and through trial and error guess at what the chords are? Even if you are wrong then at least it shows that you are thinking. Can you at least guess at what notes are in the second chord? Can you hear the difference between minor and major chords?

[SWTrex]

What's that old adage: "If I give you a fish you will eat today but if you learn how to fish you will eat for the rest of your life."

Wrong Bobbo!

The old adage goes "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
You're not teaching anybody anything, nor are being being helpful in the least.

Hey guys. I guess I am having problems...Hope you could help me...Thank You

Make an effort and I bet you may surprise yourself.

Sounds to me like he's put in some effort already

Don't be lazy.

Don't be a jerk.

If you don't know the answer to his question, just say so.

And where did you get the /A with the D minor? It's not there.

Chords are Dm, C, Dm, F, and C/G. During the Dm chords, he's throwing in a G occasionally.

SWTrex

[djryanmiles]

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[Bobbotov]

Wrong Bobbo!

The old adage goes "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
You're not teaching anybody anything, nor are being being helpful in the least.

How did you personally acquire the ability to identify chords? Did you just ask someone else to do it for you or did you train your ears? And as you are being pedantic I said "what's that old adage?" "What" is the operative word.The sentiment is the same regardless. I guess the concept of teaching yourself in music is alien to you.

Hey guys. I guess I am having problems...Hope you could help me...Thank You

Make an effort and I bet you may surprise yourself.

Sounds to me like he's put in some effort already

The ony effort he made was to post. No attempt to take a stab at figuring it out for himself.

Don't be lazy.

Don't be a jerk.

Maybe you can be his personal trainer and let him ask you the chords to every song he wants to know. I think you'll be busy. Otherwise, how will he take this answer you provided and apply it in the future? You would make a lousy math teacher if you give out the answers.

If you don't know the answer to his question, just say so.

Yeah, I know the answer. But that isn't the point is it? It is getting him to do it for himself by at least making a minimum effort so that the knowledge is his and not someone elses.

And where did you get the /A with the D minor? It's not there.

Yeah it is. The Dm is the third inversion so the G can be played from F to G. It does not jump from A to G. It then moves down to the third inversion of Cmaj. If you are going to give out answers at least give out the right ones.

[SWTrex]

The Dm is the third inversion so the G can be played from F to G. It does not jump from A to G. It then moves down to the third inversion of Cmaj. If you are going to give out answers at least give out the right ones.

Did you figure that out by yourself?

Writing a Dm/A refers to a D minor chord with an A in the bass. It has nothing to do with which inversion the D minor is played in.

(I learned this from someone smarter than me who taught it to me...but if you figured it out yourself, you must be right. I concede. )

[Ogg Vorbis]

(I learned this from someone smarter than me who taught it to me...but if you figured it out yourself, you must be right. I concede. )

Nice touch there on your comment.

Look, Ms or Mr Bobbotov has the right idea here. TEACHING is the process of steadily pulling effort from motivated people. It is not giving answers to the passive.

I have really liked helping some people who have gone up to their ability and stretched and needed help. But two KVR questions:

1. What are the chords to this? (insert youtube link here)
2. What plug-ins can I use to substitute for musical knowledge and ability

should really be met with as much shit as a person can dish out. But I think Bobbo took the high road.

Don't you kind of think?

[SWTrex]

Don't you kind of think?

Nope.

What leads you guys to think the OP was "passive" and "lazy"???

I'm assuming from his/her initial post that some time had been put into trying to figure out these chords. He/she was "having trouble". You don't have "trouble" without first trying.

Leaving them to wallow in their uncertainty and confusion (while you spout condescending phrases like

You really need to learn how to figure these things out yourself. It is an extremely simplistic chord structure...

is cruel and only leads to frustration - not learning.

At this point showing them the answer will hopefully lead them take a second look at why the answer is what it is. Then they can have that "Aha!" moment when something clicks - and they learn something!

You know nothing of the OP's skill level, or how much work they had put into their attempt to figure out the chords. Give the guy/gal the benefit of the doubt. Sheesh!

SWTRex

[Bobbotov]

The Dm is the third inversion so the G can be played from F to G. It does not jump from A to G. It then moves down to the third inversion of Cmaj. If you are going to give out answers at least give out the right ones.

Did you figure that out by yourself?

Writing a Dm/A refers to a D minor chord with an A in the bass. It has nothing to do with which inversion the D minor is played in.

(I learned this from someone smarter than me who taught it to me...but if you figured it out yourself, you must be right. I concede. )

Do me a favor and write down the notes in the triad Dm/a and the third inversion of Dm. Guess what? They are the same. And if you do not believe me go to this page and look up Inversions towards the bottom of the page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_notation

[Bobbotov]

Don't you kind of think?

Nope.

What leads you guys to think the OP was "passive" and "lazy"???

He didn't do anything except post a question. That takes zero effort whereas listening to the music while stabbing at chords to see what fits is making an effort. If instead he had said that he thought he knew the key and thinks the chords center around Dm then it would have showed that he was trying. He didn't try anything. This is the definition of lazy and lazy musicians do not go far.

I have listened to some jazz pieces a hundred times trying to transcribe the notes/chords. Unless you have perfect pitch, (I don't) then the process can be daunting but worth every minute spent doing it. After a while of doing this your ear will be more attuned to intervals, key signatures, inversions and progressions and the questions you may have at that point are dealing with fine tuning your understanding. There is no other way to acquire this type of ear training. No one can do it for you anymore than someone else can taste food for you.

I'm assuming from his/her initial post that some time had been put into trying to figure out these chords. He/she was "having trouble". You don't have "trouble" without first trying.

Nah, I don't think so. He didn't do a damn thing except go to KVR and post. That is obvious.

Leaving them to wallow in their uncertainty and confusion (while you spout condescending phrases like

You really need to learn how to figure these things out yourself. It is an extremely simplistic chord structure...

is cruel and only leads to frustration - not learning.

Nonsense. I am sure the guy really anguished over that piece of advice. I am not sure of your musical skills but it takes years of wood shedding to play decently and understand music with or without a teacher. Mastering an instrument comes at a price and this guy doesn't want to pay. Breaks my heart.

At this point showing them the answer will hopefully lead them take a second look at why the answer is what it is. Then they can have that "Aha!" moment when something clicks - and they learn something!

You know nothing of the OP's skill level, or how much work they had put into their attempt to figure out the chords. Give the guy/gal the benefit of the doubt. Sheesh!
SWTRex

I think I know his skill level pretty well. It is very low. Not being able to pick out three or four simple triad chords tells me that much. I knew the chords immediately because of years of transcribing. I have taught music and you don't teach anything giving away the answers. You teach by leading the student to the answers they discover for themselves. Then they actually learn and own that knowledge.

[Bobbotov]

(I learned this from someone smarter than me who taught it to me...but if you figured it out yourself, you must be right. I concede. )

Nice touch there on your comment.

Look, Ms or Mr Bobbotov has the right idea here. TEACHING is the process of steadily pulling effort from motivated people. It is not giving answers to the passive.

Bingo!

I have really liked helping some people who have gone up to their ability and stretched and needed help. But two KVR questions:

1. What are the chords to this? (insert youtube link here)
2. What plug-ins can I use to substitute for musical knowledge and ability

should really be met with as much shit as a person can dish out. But I think Bobbo took the high road.

Don't you kind of think?

Bingo again!

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The young man is despondent and tells the Zen master that if he does not take him he will kill himself as he would have no reason to go on living. If only the Zen master would take him on he promises to do whatever the Zen master tells him to do.

The Zen master cannot have the young man kill himself so he agrees to take him as a disciple. The young man is overjoyed and asks the Zen master what should be the first thing he does as he is eager to learn and please his master.

The Zen master looks at the young man and says, "Now that you are a disciple I want you to go away!"