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artificial · Post by **artificial** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:26 am

I just have to say there are quite good and reasonably priced things out there... maybe you should just check some magazines out... i got tracktion 2 for 6.90€ (!!!!!) ... or on the other hand i got energyxt here in the market place for 25€... I am a student at the moment and and are chronically out of money... but i just wanted to point at that there ARE possibilities!! So, IMO there's no need to look down the streets....

spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:47 am

be a singer,it's cheaper.

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trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:02 am

Heck. I even found my wife a DAW of her own --Cakewalks Music Creator 5 for about $30cdn for pete sake....

Don't need to go ballistic on yourself....

tibah · Post by **tibah** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:27 am

artificial wrote:i got tracktion 2 for 6.90€ (!!!!!)

Really nice example, as I do also got T2 from buying German BEAT magazine a couple of months ago, which had a full version bundled with it. Sure this host is kinda dead, but it works and really has some nice tricks to it.

artificial · Post by **artificial** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:40 pm

yeah, i got it from beat magazine too!

furthermore mackie was kind enough to send me a T3 license for free, because the version from beat magazine had several bugs, which i reported to them... anyway, don't know what you want to do with your daw, but for my needs, tracktion 3 and energyXT are way enough!

tibah · Post by **tibah** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:00 pm

artificial wrote:yeah, i got it from beat magazine too! furthermore mackie was kind enough to send me a T3 license for free, because the version from beat magazine had several bugs, which i reported to them...

Same here. I reported a bug, got a support reply which firstly get me access to a different version of T2. 2 days later I had another reply that offered me the latest version of T3

Funny thing actually. I remember the BEAT version had like 2-3 bugs that where really annoying.

Beazlebug · Post by **Beazlebug** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:01 pm

If you want to write music that much you'll do it with the tools available, whether in your budget, or free if you can't afford anything. Free stuff, like Modplug, Psycle etc should be more than enougth to produce good tunes. Even 10 years ago, what free DAW's offer now would have been a god-send to people like me. Limiting yourself in turns of what software can you actaully produce better results than having all the bells and whistles. You can concentrate on the music itself.

artificial · Post by **artificial** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:37 pm

emotica wrote: Same here. I reported a bug, got a support reply which firstly get me access to a different version of T2. 2 days later I had another reply that offered me the latest version of T3 Funny thing actually. I remember the BEAT version had like 2-3 bugs that where really annoying.

hehe, great! Thought I was the only lucky one!

Maybe, one day, we'll see some further development... but honestly, I don't mind too much... over here it runs very stable! anyway, sorry for being OT!

Beazlebug wrote:Limiting yourself in turns of what software can you actaully produce better results than having all the bells and whistles. You can concentrate on the music itself.

+111

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:43 pm

Deathbliss wrote: Thirdly with a few exceptions the software companies, especially the big ones, who have been making audio tools have been doing so for 10 years or more. The price has gone up from that time. For the initial effort, their initial code, they have made back every penny they spent. All these companies are receiving now, outside of what they pay to their employees and for advertising, is pure profit. I'm not about to go feeling sorry for the crew behind FL Studio (for example) because I know all the work that has been put into the program has been paid off, probably 10x over.

I guess I can share some of the political views with you, but...

As long as they keep releasing new versions with new features (of increasingly hard to R&D) they need to pay for that too, plus maintenance (Windows updates) and support. If not for that prices should decrease over time.

Still look at Sonar with is cheaper. And FLStudio team has given tons of new features for free to their costumers.

I would actually would be surprised if the pro market of music isn't one of the "less Evil ones".

Also none knows how much they spend and get. Is a company selling a 1000$ software at a 1% of profit worst than one that sell (in much more quantity of a) 10$ software at 50% profit (personally I think those tons of cheap things slave/china made are one of the worst things that could happen to society).

Deathbliss wrote:Last but not last the community is ignoring their responsibility. Sure making a DAW takes a lot of time and effort. But there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of coders out there, who would be more than willing to make a fully functional professional DAW for free as long as the community using their product supported them. I don't mean just by donations. Video tutorials, written tutorials, suggestions, bug reports, feature requests, positive support - good, useful feedback of all kinds will keep a program alive and healthy for years. Where's the community behind RaxNTrax, Macaw, and these other excellent free programs I found?

These are the things I think about - the questions I ask. They are only my opinions. I have put a tremendous amount of effort here to find a legally free solution to my particular need - the brushes, paints, and canvas I require. I have not given up just yet. My statement regarding piracy was a man that has looked down the road and is not seeing any other solution. It is not of someone on a vessel on the sea somewhere pointing a cannon at some poor defenseless merchant ship. I still have a handful of free, and free version, software to play with. I'm pretty flexible, and will try to use any brush that does what I need.

Probably that "community" did the same you are doing

BTW did you tried Qtracktor.

Also be attentive to opportunistic like those mentioned above.

Anyway if you end using pirated try to a some point buy the software.

Deathbliss · Post by **Deathbliss** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:10 am

I'm going to look into Qtracker, although by the name I don't think it'll be what I'm after. I do appreciate your suggestion however! If I start a Linux free music software thread, sans my stupid rants, I'll be sure to add it.

Deathbliss

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Deathbliss · Post by **Deathbliss** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:16 pm

OK, so here are my thoughts on the free, 0.9x version of Reaper, Podium free, and Live Professor.

Reaper even at this early stage is very well designed and easy to learn. I didn't have to pull my hair out trying to learn how to use it. However the Piano Roll appears to be extremely basic. It will not, as far as I can tell, wllo me to create a melody track, play it and see the notes, as I harmonize it with another track. Temper is the closest I have gotten to this feature.

I have given up on Podium Free. It is not very intuitive in its design, and I know there is supposed to be a Piano Roll hidden with a Note Editor but all I can get to is a Sound Editor. I have no way of trying the Piano Roll on this program, and Googling finds me nothing on accessing the Note Editor/Piano Roll. If any of the staunch supporters of this program want to convert me to using it just give me a link to a good tutorial that shows me how to get to the Piano Roll, or PM or post me the steps yourself.

Live Professor looks like something you need to have a midi instrument to use. I don't see a Piano Roll or any way to create music within it from scratch.
- Deathbliss

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