I think I finally hate amp sims!

[Teksonik]

Actually, you are wrong, not me. You say you hate amp sims because they aren't dynamic enough. Yet you'd rather get a POD (static amp models) than Vandal (dynamic amp models). You aree entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. Guess I made you feel dumb, which is why you ignored my actual points.

Also, I fail to see wheere I was so "hostile" ... maybe you think everybody that disagrees with you on solid grounds is being "hostile" ...

No you are wrong my friend. Where did I say I "hate" Amp Sims? Where did I use the word "Dynamic? Maybe reading is not one of your strongpoints. I simply said I've never found one that sounds as good as my J Station and rather than spend $200 on Vandal I'd be inclined to buy a Pod. It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me.........than any amp sim I've tried. Don't take it so personally..........perhaps you have issues with insecurity.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me but when you call someone a Fool just because they disagree with you it reveals your ignorance. I'd use a software sim in a heartbeat if I ever found one that sounds good to my ears.............Use what you like but don't attempt to express your preference and opinions as fact.

[Hink]

Sheeesh, I'll even muck the sound up by throwing stomp pedals into the sound mix if it comes down to it...

I'm sorry I must inform you that you have released sensitive top secret information. You post is like revealing the secrets of a magician...you have broken the code

[trimph1]

Sheeesh, I'll even muck the sound up by throwing stomp pedals into the sound mix if it comes down to it...

I'm sorry I must inform you that you have released sensitive top secret information. You post is like revealing the secrets of a magician...you have broken the code

[Hink]

It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me

It's a fact that it is your opinion I'm not disagreeing with you but that is a kinda funny ststement...but rock on...if you're playing and you are there how you got there doesn't matter

But as time goes on you might find new paths to get there, dont be afraid to explore them.

[futurefields]

Actually, you are wrong, not me. You say you hate amp sims because they aren't dynamic enough. Yet you'd rather get a POD (static amp models) than Vandal (dynamic amp models). You aree entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. Guess I made you feel dumb, which is why you ignored my actual points.

Also, I fail to see wheere I was so "hostile" ... maybe you think everybody that disagrees with you on solid grounds is being "hostile" ...

No you are wrong my friend. Where did I say I "hate" Amp Sims? Where did I use the word "Dynamic? Maybe reading is not one of your strongpoints. I simply said I've never found one that sounds as good as my J Station and rather than spend $200 on Vandal I'd be inclined to buy a Pod. It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me.........than any amp sim I've tried. Don't take it so personally..........perhaps you have issues with insecurity.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me but when you call someone a Fool just because they disagree with you it reveals your ignorance. I'd use a software sim in a heartbeat if I ever found one that sounds good to my ears.............Use what you like but don't attempt to express your preference and opinions as fact.

I thought you were the one that made this thread.

Anyways, you show a fundamental misunderstanding about POD vs what you call "software amps" .. the fact is POD aresoftware amps, build on PC way back in the 90s before compiled into the dsp chips in the boxes. Main difference is the new stuff is, well, new, and algorithmically a lot more in depth.

[Tony Ostinato]

indeed pod came from amp farm which was a tdm plugin for pro tools like 10 years ago.

[Hink]

Actually, you are wrong, not me. You say you hate amp sims because they aren't dynamic enough. Yet you'd rather get a POD (static amp models) than Vandal (dynamic amp models). You aree entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. Guess I made you feel dumb, which is why you ignored my actual points.

Also, I fail to see wheere I was so "hostile" ... maybe you think everybody that disagrees with you on solid grounds is being "hostile" ...

No you are wrong my friend. Where did I say I "hate" Amp Sims? Where did I use the word "Dynamic? Maybe reading is not one of your strongpoints. I simply said I've never found one that sounds as good as my J Station and rather than spend $200 on Vandal I'd be inclined to buy a Pod. It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me.........than any amp sim I've tried. Don't take it so personally..........perhaps you have issues with insecurity.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me but when you call someone a Fool just because they disagree with you it reveals your ignorance. I'd use a software sim in a heartbeat if I ever found one that sounds good to my ears.............Use what you like but don't attempt to express your preference and opinions as fact.

I thought you were the one that made this thread.

Anyways, you show a fundamental misunderstanding about POD vs what you call "software amps" .. the fact is POD aresoftware amps, build on PC way back in the 90s before compiled into the dsp chips in the boxes. Main difference is the new stuff is, well, new, and algorithmically a lot more in depth.

on page two of this thread he explains that he agrees with that and he's not arguing that...he prefers a hardware version and tbh I can totally understand because using a hardware unit you can take advantage of direct monitoring and not have to worry about latency. Sending a dry signal as well to use for reamps is in my opinion the best way to go. I use my pod xt live for this purpose, he has a very valid point as do you

[futurefields]

I suppose that is a good point. I just don't see how someone can complain about the dynamics of thing like Ampllitube and Guitar Rig, and then say they prefer the sound of POD. I've played guitar for 15 years and owned quite a few nice amps, my favorites being the ampeg reverberocket and the marshall 1959SLP. The newer sims sound a lot closer to these amps than the old PODs ever did.

Dial up an overdrive sound on POD. Barely strum the strings, and then dig in really hard. You hear the same amount of distortion regardless, because POD uses a single waveshaper as their "amp model" ...

[Teksonik]

It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me

It's a fact that it is your opinion I'm not disagreeing with you but that is a kinda funny ststement...but rock on...if you're playing and you are there how you got there doesn't matter

But as time goes on you might find new paths to get there, dont be afraid to explore them.

No it's a fact. If I say the "J Station sounds better" that is an opinion. If I say the "J Station sounds better to me" that is a Fact.

But as time goes on you might find new paths to get there, dont be afraid to explore them.

Dude I'm older than you are....I've done plenty of exploring. I like my guitar sound, it took me years to get there........why should I look for new paths?

[Hink]

I suppose that is a good point. I just don't see how someone can complain about the dynamics of thing like Ampllitube and Guitar Rig, and then say they prefer the sound of POD. I've played guitar for 15 years and owned quite a few nice amps, my favorites being the ampeg reverberocket and the marshall 1959SLP. The newer sims sound a lot closer to these amps than the old PODs ever did.

Dial up an overdrive sound on POD. Barely strum the strings, and then dig in really hard. You hear the same amount of distortion regardless, because POD uses a single waveshaper as their "amp model" ...

I had an ampeg V4 and a B55 in the past, I just used the power amp of the B55 with the pre-amp from a dean markley rackmount amp. I bypassed the the power amp on the Dean Markley because it kept popping power transistors (the thing was crap but sounded ok) I also use to put on original Rockman through the power amp. I like Ampeg guitar amps and when I have some dispposable cash I often watch ebay for any V2s, I really like the old ones where the print is worn off.

I went from those to my Marshall Plexi which eventually got traded for my boogie sob...a lot of amps in between and when I was young. I had a twin reverb for about a year when I was in the servive, a Peavey classic and a backstage...hated the Peaveys

[Teksonik]

Actually, you are wrong, not me. You say you hate amp sims because they aren't dynamic enough. Yet you'd rather get a POD (static amp models) than Vandal (dynamic amp models). You aree entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. Guess I made you feel dumb, which is why you ignored my actual points.

Also, I fail to see wheere I was so "hostile" ... maybe you think everybody that disagrees with you on solid grounds is being "hostile" ...

No you are wrong my friend. Where did I say I "hate" Amp Sims? Where did I use the word "Dynamic? Maybe reading is not one of your strongpoints. I simply said I've never found one that sounds as good as my J Station and rather than spend $200 on Vandal I'd be inclined to buy a Pod. It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me.........than any amp sim I've tried. Don't take it so personally..........perhaps you have issues with insecurity.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me but when you call someone a Fool just because they disagree with you it reveals your ignorance. I'd use a software sim in a heartbeat if I ever found one that sounds good to my ears.............Use what you like but don't attempt to express your preference and opinions as fact.

I thought you were the one that made this thread.

Anyways, you show a fundamental misunderstanding about POD vs what you call "software amps" .. the fact is POD aresoftware amps, build on PC way back in the 90s before compiled into the dsp chips in the boxes. Main difference is the new stuff is, well, new, and algorithmically a lot more in depth.

I don't have a fundamental misunderstanding of anything in this thread.......I also don't own a Pod......I said I would buy one rather than spend $200 on Vandal and will probably do neither. I don't really care where the Pod came from. All I know and I'll say it again I like the sound of my J Station better than any Amp Sim in PC Software that I have tried up to this time. I like my guitar sound. What do you care if I didn't find any of the sims I've tried so far to be superior? If they were I'd be using them. I like software which is why I'm here at a site dedicated to.............software...........

[Hink]

It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me

It's a fact that it is your opinion I'm not disagreeing with you but that is a kinda funny ststement...but rock on...if you're playing and you are there how you got there doesn't matter

But as time goes on you might find new paths to get there, dont be afraid to explore them.

No it's a fact. If I say the "J Station sounds better" that is an opinion. If I say the "J Station sounds better to me" that is a Fact.

But as time goes on you might find new paths to get there, dont be afraid to explore them.

Dud I'm older than you are....I've done plenty of exploring. I like my guitar sound, it took me years to get there........why should I look for new paths?

if you have to ask

Tbh I dont care if you're older than dirt if you like what you have and do not want to find new things good for you...I think it's terribly sad though. It appears to me you just said you're too old to grow anymore, whether you're older than me or not I suspect we are on the same side of the hill and I cannot imagine thinking like that. I'll settle when they close the lid, until then I will push on into the unknown because I can and it's still rewarding...I'm sorry you dont see that.

I'm thinking you didn't understand what I meant by 'there', when you're playing any instrument, even singing do you not go somewhere in your mind, the source of your passion, a place that only you can get to? For me it's intoxicating and why I play. I mean no offense by anything I say and I hope there are no hard feelings, but we just see the voyage different

edit: and I'm not a dud

[Bhan]

Actually, you are wrong, not me. You say you hate amp sims because they aren't dynamic enough. Yet you'd rather get a POD (static amp models) than Vandal (dynamic amp models). You aree entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. Guess I made you feel dumb, which is why you ignored my actual points.

Also, I fail to see wheere I was so "hostile" ... maybe you think everybody that disagrees with you on solid grounds is being "hostile" ...

No you are wrong my friend. Where did I say I "hate" Amp Sims? Where did I use the word "Dynamic? Maybe reading is not one of your strongpoints. I simply said I've never found one that sounds as good as my J Station and rather than spend $200 on Vandal I'd be inclined to buy a Pod. It's a fact not opinion that the J Station sounds better.......to me.........than any amp sim I've tried. Don't take it so personally..........perhaps you have issues with insecurity.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me but when you call someone a Fool just because they disagree with you it reveals your ignorance. I'd use a software sim in a heartbeat if I ever found one that sounds good to my ears.............Use what you like but don't attempt to express your preference and opinions as fact.

I thought you were the one that made this thread.

Anyways, you show a fundamental misunderstanding about POD vs what you call "software amps" .. the fact is POD aresoftware amps, build on PC way back in the 90s before compiled into the dsp chips in the boxes. Main difference is the new stuff is, well, new, and algorithmically a lot more in depth.

I don't have a fundamental misunderstanding of anything in this thread.......I also don't own a Pod......I said I would buy one rather than spend $200 on Vandal and will probably do neither. I don't really care where the Pod came from. All I know and I'll say it again I like the sound of my J Station better than any Amp Sim in PC Software that I have tried up to this time. I like my guitar sound. What do you care if I didn't find any of the sims I've tried so far to be superior? If they were I'd be using them. I like software which is why I'm here at a site dedicated to.............software...........

Maybe you do have a fundamental misunderstanding....

" Johnson J Station
Physical modelling has always held out the best hope for producing realistic miked-up amp tones from a DI processor, and many recording guitarists found ...
www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/jstation.htm -


Vandel is based on Physical modeling as well.

[Teksonik]

do not want to find new things good for you...I think it's terribly sad

What's to be sad about? I'm happy with my sound, there really isn't anything I need. I do frequently run through CamelSpace, Nitro or Warmverb for extra spice but the body of my sound is set. Did you miss the part where I said I've tried a lot of software sims? That's trying new things right? I just haven't found one that floats my boat. If you think that makes me "too old to grow" then so be it. I have not tried Vandal and probably will not. It's price tag would cause me to look to dedicated hardware instead.....if I was looking. I think it's sad people are still looking for a sound they like.........

Tbh I dont care if you're older than dirt if you like what you have and do not want to find new things good for you...I think it's terribly sad though. It appears to me you just said you're too old to grow anymore, whether you're older than me or not I suspect we are on the same side of the hill and I cannot imagine thinking like that. I'll settle when they close the lid, until then I will push on into the unknown because I can and it's still rewarding...I'm sorry you dont see that.

I'm thinking you didn't understand what I meant by 'there', when you're playing any instrument, even singing do you not go somewhere in your mind, the source of your passion, a place that only you can get to? For me it's intoxicating and why I play. I mean no offense by anything I say and I hope there are no hard feelings, but we just see the voyage different

edit: and I'm not a dud

I get "there" just fine with the J Station thank you very much...........It get's me to my happy place.....which is why I use it


No hard feelings at all. We each take our own paths to get to the promised land. The Dud part was a typo.........or Freudian slip I'm not sure which.....

[Teksonik]

" Johnson J Station
Physical modelling has always held out the best hope for producing realistic miked-up amp tones from a DI processor, and many recording guitarists found ...
www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/jstation.htm -


Vandel is based on Physical modeling as well.

I understand perfectly what the J Station is...........Can you understand that I have not found it's equal in PC Based software? Read back a few pages where I mentioned Form Factor. ......they are all hardware running software when broken down to basics.........just different form factor.

Again I have not tried Vandal...........nor will I......there is no need. I....am.....happy....with ....my ....guitar....sound.....now.