I think I finally hate amp sims!

[Hink]

By the time you've found that perfect tone the update will be out making your version sound inferior and you'll have to start the whole proccess over again.

Bingo! That's the entire process in a nutshell

And, that's the way I like it...uh huh uh huh...

I do see the point though. it can be rather infuriating going to find a good sound and then poof, gondie...that's why prefer my many flower approach

you have to exercise balance though, not just sims but all the other synths, samplers, daws, fx and what have you. It is indeed very easy to get caught in a 'learning software' quagmire.

That can be easily done---balance is key--your balance, not someone else's though...

I went to the bank drunk once to check my balance

[hibidy]

Yeah, I decided to go with a real amp so I went out and got a bunch of mics and a blackstar and it's WAY better. But the neighbors circled my house with pitchforks, had a huge wooden fire on my front yard, then mom came in and took my guitar away.

[Hink]

Yeah, I decided to go with a real amp so I went out and got a bunch of mics and a blackstar and it's WAY better. But the neighbors circled my house with pitchforks, had a huge wooden fire on my front yard, then mom came in and took my guitar away.

which blackstar did you get?

[GeorgeZ]

Yup, surely, it's definitely a convenience thing, however, when I'm in the studio putting it to tape, the Dual Rec comes out

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Yeah, I decided to go with a real amp so I went out and got a bunch of mics and a blackstar and it's WAY better. But the neighbors circled my house with pitchforks, had a huge wooden fire on my front yard, then mom came in and took my guitar away.

When did you start writing my auto-biography hibidy?

[hibidy]

Yeah, I decided to go with a real amp so I went out and got a bunch of mics and a blackstar and it's WAY better. But the neighbors circled my house with pitchforks, had a huge wooden fire on my front yard, then mom came in and took my guitar away.

which blackstar did you get?

The fiery pitchfork model

[hibidy]

Yeah, I decided to go with a real amp so I went out and got a bunch of mics and a blackstar and it's WAY better. But the neighbors circled my house with pitchforks, had a huge wooden fire on my front yard, then mom came in and took my guitar away.

When did you start writing my auto-biography hibidy?

[hibidy]

If I ever was to actually get a real amp I'm 99% sure it would be a blackstar....and I've never played one. Every single time I hear someone demoing it I get a woody.

Now, If I won the lottery......a bad cat would be my drug of choice maybe (I played one of those, I think I started to cry) but AFAIK bad cats are WAY out of my price range......regardless of the pitchforks and burnings.......

[Hink]

If I ever was to actually get a real amp I'm 99% sure it would be a blackstar....and I've never played one. Every single time I hear someone demoing it I get a woody.

Now, If I won the lottery......a bad cat would be my drug of choice maybe (I played one of those, I think I started to cry) but AFAIK bad cats are WAY out of my price range......regardless of the pitchforks and burnings.......

If I could I would love one of these (the Bud-25 to be precise)

http://www.t5tubeamps.com/products.php

[hibidy]

Ok, I'm already drooling over these amps

[PurpleCatfishBettie]

I just want a

[zerocrossing]

Amp sims/modelers... Frankly I find Hink's argument that Vandal isn't a "amp sim" is thin. Perhaps it's not a simulation of a specific real world bit of hardware, but since it more or less is set up exactly like one I fail to see any difference.

because I posted the video for you twice of the developer of Vandal explaining why it is not a sim and apparently you haven't watched it. You also by your own admission missed the entire section that defines the difference that being the control of the transformer and sag control when trying the demo (which now you can try again).

So one it isn't my argument, it's repeating what the developer states in the video. Your statement is baseless because you failed to give Vandal a proper test making your post 100% moot.

let us not forget your extreme bias for AT3

edir:sorry for the typos a minute ago, I was eating a pop tart with one hand

Well perhaps you're speaking such non-sense from a high fructose corn syrup high, because this is from the Vandal site:

VANDAL survey (win a Samplitude 11 Pro copy!)
September 7, 2009
Preparing the coming VST version of Vandal here currently (and perhaps Mac AU if we got resources), we'd like to gather more feedback and information from potential users on what they expect from a good amp-simulation product.

Help us to make Vandal the best native amp sim! Just answer a couple of questions (which popped up during development), send them in and - with a bit of luck - win 1 out of 3 copies of the new Samplitude 11 Pro (the current Vandal version already included )!

So, what ever non-sense was in the video you posted is obviously something the developer doesn't believe, or else this quote from his site is B.S.

...and my "extreme bias for Amplitube 3" comes from the fact that I think it sounds the best. Why would you have a problem with that? It's not like Peter's giving me oral sex in exchange for positive reviews. I just really like it. (it being IM Multimedia amp sims)

[trimph1]

If I ever was to actually get a real amp I'm 99% sure it would be a blackstar....and I've never played one. Every single time I hear someone demoing it I get a woody.

Now, If I won the lottery......a bad cat would be my drug of choice maybe (I played one of those, I think I started to cry) but AFAIK bad cats are WAY out of my price range......regardless of the pitchforks and burnings.......

If I could I would love one of these (the Bud-25 to be precise)

http://www.t5tubeamps.com/products.php

Gee. thanks for that...

Now it looks like another $4,000+ year coming up...

[Hink]

Amp sims/modelers... Frankly I find Hink's argument that Vandal isn't a "amp sim" is thin. Perhaps it's not a simulation of a specific real world bit of hardware, but since it more or less is set up exactly like one I fail to see any difference.

because I posted the video for you twice of the developer of Vandal explaining why it is not a sim and apparently you haven't watched it. You also by your own admission missed the entire section that defines the difference that being the control of the transformer and sag control when trying the demo (which now you can try again).

So one it isn't my argument, it's repeating what the developer states in the video. Your statement is baseless because you failed to give Vandal a proper test making your post 100% moot.

let us not forget your extreme bias for AT3

edir:sorry for the typos a minute ago, I was eating a pop tart with one hand

Well perhaps you're speaking such non-sense from a high fructose corn syrup high, because this is from the Vandal site:

VANDAL survey (win a Samplitude 11 Pro copy!)
September 7, 2009
Preparing the coming VST version of Vandal here currently (and perhaps Mac AU if we got resources), we'd like to gather more feedback and information from potential users on what they expect from a good amp-simulation product.

Help us to make Vandal the best native amp sim! Just answer a couple of questions (which popped up during development), send them in and - with a bit of luck - win 1 out of 3 copies of the new Samplitude 11 Pro (the current Vandal version already included )!

So, what ever non-sense was in the video you posted is obviously something the developer doesn't believe, or else this quote from his site is B.S.

...and my "extreme bias for Amplitube 3" comes from the fact that I think it sounds the best. Why would you have a problem with that? It's not like Peter's giving me oral sex in exchange for positive reviews. I just really like it. (it being IM Multimedia amp sims)

the nonsense in the video was an interview with the developer...what you posted is called advertising (often familiar terms are used or modified in advertising to catch the attention of customers) You know you do this every single time I post about being happy having more than one sim, amp or what have you (remember what a stink you made about my comment "the best sim is the one I didn't get"? You're dragged that out several pages), why do you have such a problem with that concept, or really my believeing that?

Also my post about Vandal was very much on topic for the thread because Rich is complaining about having too many choices and in a tongue and cheek way. Anyone who has seen a picture of Vandal across the room knows this is one of it's features because it doesn't model in the same sense. This is what sets it apart and makes it more of a virtual amp than amp sim modelers which is what the thread is about (too many models).

This is advertised as an amp simulation product, not a modeler like the others...hence why my argument and the point made in the video is not weak. Unfortunately you couldn't even find the part that is the very core of what makes it different than modelers. Is that better for you if I say you're right it's a sim but not a modeler? Do we really neeed to split such hair when the bottomline is Vandal is far different than other Amp simulation products? Or am I not allowed to make that point because in your opinion it is weak?

Look we all get it, I hate gibsons and you really like AT3 and that's cool

There was no reason for you post to be directed at me except that seems to be a habit of yours. I merely suggested twice now you watch the video. I really could care less if you like it but as I recall you were disapointed that you couldn't try it again knowing about the features you missed (I did send both sascha nad andre at magix about this as I promised you I would and the policy was changed, not sure what I had to dowith it bu you can try it again). Two othe people posted they hated it, did I argue with them about the sound? I understand it's not for everyone (even me sometimes, because I have no bias towards or against Vandal or other products).

I'm not intending to push your buttons, but I think if I wanted to (but I have much better things to do) that on more than one occasion when I have said I like more than one product you react to me like that's bad or something wrong with me. Frankly it's grown tiresome, do you suppose you could accept I have the right my ways as well?

I really like AT3 too, and I like GR4, and I like GTR3.5 and I like a sansamp, and I like my boogie, and I like my Marshall and I'm doing to keep buying and keep liking (and disliking)...it's you that has shown a history of that bothering you, not the other way around.

I never assumed your love of AT3 was anything but genuine...your comment about peter was extremely offensive and I never came close to suggesting anything like that. Did going there help your point?

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Perhaps it's not a simulation of a specific real world bit of hardware, but since it more or less is set up exactly like one I fail to see any difference.

that was the rest of you post I want it crystal clear this is what makes your point moot...it's not about words...is not like the others and the reason you do not know this because you missed those features thar are different. This is why you fail to see a difference, you clearly missed it.

[Hink]

excuse me, you said my argument was thin, not weak...my bad