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Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:07 am

Goseba wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:So what's new in V3?
Take a look

http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/overview.html

Or here:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/ppg-3-evaluation.html

Buka · Post by **Buka** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:51 am

they could have included 2.v filter in there so tha patches from 2.v sound like 2.v ....come on guys, include it

love the 3.v though

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:17 pm

Buka wrote:they could have included 2.v filter in there so tha patches from 2.v sound like 2.v ....come on guys, include it

love the 3.v though

You could switch the True PPG mode to 2.V mode (besides True PPG off, Wave 2.2 or 2.3 modes), that should do it AFAIK. Anyway the new version is closer to the original synth. If you want the real 2.V sound you could get the Waldorf Edition. Together with the upgrade to PPG 3.V this is currently cheaper as buying the PPG 3.V full version at the next year (59 Euros for Waldorf Edition + 99 Euros for the upgrade). This is a hint for those who didn't revognize this...

Buka · Post by **Buka** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:21 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Buka wrote:they could have included 2.v filter in there so tha patches from 2.v sound like 2.v ....come on guys, include it

love the 3.v though
You could switch the True PPG mode to 2.V mode (besides True PPG off, Wave 2.2 or 2.3 modes), that should do it AFAIK.

not quite shure this will tun the filter algorithm to 2.v version...gonna try it when i get home....dis 3.v version is mutch brighter sounding

thanx

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:38 pm

According to an e-mail exchange I had with Wolfram Franke, it's actually the same filter as before... it's the envelopes that are different.

Buka · Post by **Buka** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:15 am

Scot Solida wrote:According to an e-mail exchange I had with Wolfram Franke, it's actually the same filter as before... it's the envelopes that are different.

how could it be the same filter?!

its much brighter and resonance is more static, precise ...maybe im deaf but this is not the same algorithm to my ears, close but not the same...Doc, Ingo, what say you?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:57 pm

Buka wrote:
Scot Solida wrote:According to an e-mail exchange I had with Wolfram Franke, it's actually the same filter as before... it's the envelopes that are different.
how could it be the same filter?!

its much brighter and resonance is more static, precise ...maybe im deaf but this is not the same algorithm to my ears, close but not the same...Doc, Ingo, what say you?

To me it sounds different too but if you use the filter drive or the 12dB slope it will sound different for sure. The envelopes are much different to the 2.V version too, much closer to the original behavior. The True PPG settings have an big influence on the sound too, especially with some bell like or more percussive sounds.

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:18 am

As I said, my information about the filter comes from Wolfram Franke himself. I compared the filter to my Wave 2.2 and it's almost identical. The envelopes on the Wave 2.V were not similar to those on the real PPG, but these new envelopes are pretty danged close. They aren't quite the same as those on my own Wave 2.2, since they were modeled on a Wave 2.3. Still, they are very, very close.

I don't want to go into any more detail, since my review of the Wave 3.V will appear in the next issue of Computer Music. Suffice it to say that in head-to-head, setting-for-setting comparisons, the 3.V is nail-bitingly close to the real thing.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:34 am

Scot Solida wrote:As I said, my information about the filter comes from Wolfram Franke himself. I compared the filter to my Wave 2.2 and it's almost identical. The envelopes on the Wave 2.V were not similar to those on the real PPG, but these new envelopes are pretty danged close. They aren't quite the same as those on my own Wave 2.2, since they were modeled on a Wave 2.3. Still, they are very, very close.

I don't want to go into any more detail, since my review of the Wave 3.V will appear in the next issue of Computer Music. Suffice it to say that in head-to-head, setting-for-setting comparisons, the 3.V is nail-bitingly close to the real thing.

Will be interesting to read that review

Rob

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:15 am

I don't want to go into any more detail, since my review of the Wave 3.V will appear in the next issue of Computer Music. Suffice it to say that in head-to-head, setting-for-setting comparisons, the 3.V is nail-bitingly close to the real thing.

I was waiting for someone like yourself who owns a real PPG Wave to weigh in on the authenticity of 3.V, Scot. It's cool to hear that it gets a Wave owner's seal of approval.

I find this to be one of the most exciting synths to come along in quite a while...in the midst of so many Virus-esque VA's, it definitely stands out as something different. I admit I wouldn't have objected too much if Waldorf had deviated from accurate emulation so far as to include the 8-stage wave envelope from the Microwaves for finer control over wave scans, but that's a fairly minor wish-list item when the main thing is that it sounds so good. Who knows, though, maybe that's being saved for a new "Microwave XV" plugin sometime down the road, LOL.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:51 am

Vectorman wrote:in the midst of so many Virus-esque VA's, it definitely stands out as something different.

I you like to have the Virus sound you could use my Hypersaw samples which are delivered with my factory sounds...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:30 pm

From today on the full version of Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V is also available as a download version:

http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... gories/PPG

The full version is available for 169 Euros and the price for the Upgrade version is raised to 119 Euros now.

boygreen · Post by **boygreen** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:28 pm

Ingonator wrote:From today on the full version of Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V is also available as a download version:

http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... gories/PPG

The full version is available for 169 Euros and the price for the Upgrade version is raised to 119 Euros now.

Is a USB dongle required?

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:57 pm

boygreen wrote:
Ingonator wrote:From today on the full version of Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V is also available as a download version:

http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... gories/PPG

The full version is available for 169 Euros and the price for the Upgrade version is raised to 119 Euros now.
Is a USB dongle required?

No, but you do have to authorize it! The eLicenser is installed with the product; you then have the option of authorizing it to either your hard drive, or a USB dongle.

The problem is that if you authorize it to your HD and it crashes, you might be hosed.

I went ahead and authorized it to an existing syncrosoft key; the advantage is that now I can move it between my computers, as long as I don't lose the key!

I personally HATE this form of copy protection; but at least Waldorf gives all of us the option of not having to use a USB dongle.

BTW: I'm banking on Waldorf et al making 100's (if not 1000's) of 'Wavetables' (using their definition) available to us end-users over time! Everything from smooth-phasing 'scans' to pure unadulterated chaos would probably find a use by at least some!

I also have to comment that I've been 'importing' Sir Andrew's 2010 (last years' model

) Galbanum wave collection with Great results...I got them in the 44.1 khz/24 bit format; you simply bring them in as a transient (Waldorf-speak for a *.wav file), turn looping 'on', then set your loop points as follows: start @ 0 samples (default); end @ 2048 samples...Wala! The waveform is now an oscillator! (yeah, I know, but not all of my softsynths have handled Sir Andrew's stuff so well....)

Yep: This has got a good engine, all right....

It should be noted, however, that even though the 3.V plays the waves very smoothly, I have to use one of the 'data interpretation' modes to compensate for the aliasing...'true ppg' gives me best results.

-goldenanalog

dswtan · Post by **dswtan** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:58 am

Ingonator wrote:The full version is available for 169 Euros and the price for the Upgrade version is raised to 119 Euros now.

Shoot -- just realized I missed the 99 Euro offer!

Also, has anyone ordered from the Waldorf site and *not* been charged VAT? I am in the US and don't expect to get charged VAT. I went through the checkout process most of the way but it seemed like it was still going to charge VAT.

The shopping account profile shows my US address but also:

"Customer group: EU customer with Tax-ID
Tax model: Gross"

Gross indeed!

Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V available at shops now