I think I finally hate amp sims!

[Hink]

Kind of thinking aloud here, but amp sim, hardware mics or lines, hardware modellers...all share having to undergo an A to D conversion, with a signal that is very complex.
Even good converters might 'dumb down' the signal, and the differences between methods, to an extent ?

I'm not sure there are crappy enough converters to hear the difference tbh, but your thinking is on the right track...sometimes it's cool to dumb down (to steal your term) the signal before going in. In my rig which consists of many sims, Vandal, and several tube amps with multiple routing options, I have quite a few options starting with a radial aby box for signal splitting.

reference amp (for recording using direct monitor on my card) I use my pod xt, this can be routed through fx and monitored through fx and recorded dry or recorded both dry and with fx

re-amping I run two signals from the radial two a boss ch-1 super chorus (one with chorus an one is dry) giving me old school stereo guitar.

the third out on the radial (true bypass) goes to one of my amps that has a weber attenuator giving me both a line out and a speaker out and of course I mic the speaker.

This has changed slightly since a post earlier in this thread because this week I added an Egnater Rebel 20 tube head.

I honestly believe the re-amping channels benefit from going through the chorus and as you call it 'dumbing down' the signal. The most harsh signal is the reference from the pod, the mic'd cab is very nice and the line out from the attenuator is up to what I use for speaker impulses.

I also run either a boss turbo od when needed or an mxr dist+ and active electronics on all of my guitars, all of which I think soften the digital harshness before the converters. Whether it's true or just in my head doesn't really matter much as it works for me

[hibidy]

Oh yeah, sans hink, he does good to actually chime in with information....not simply lump it into one-size-fits all generic witch hunt

[blueman]

And the plot thickens...

The Kemper Profiling Amplifier

[Hink]

And the plot thickens...

The Kemper Profiling Amplifier

it will be interesting to see if this is as good as it sounds and how it 'learns'. I bet it's big bux though, but as per the title of your thread doesn't this just make things worse?

[blueman]

Yes, worse! But I'm already knee deep in tweakerville so...bring it on

[Hink]

Yes, worse! But I'm already knee deep in tweakerville so...bring it on

tweakerville? isn't that the place with the dan electro diner?

[AndrewSimon]

[fateamenabletochange]

.......the reference from the pod, the mic'd cab is very nice and the line out from the attenuator is up to what I use for speaker impulses......

interesting hearing about the differences.

I guess I'm trying to figure why things sound better out of my JMP headphone out, or the mix bus preamp headphone out it goes into...compared to the soundcard [presonus] headphone out. And likely, more bucks RME or Skope might sound better, but I'd guess, still not as good as the preamps headphone out....because it's gone through A to D, then D to A conversion.

[hibidy]

And the plot thickens...

The Kemper Profiling Amplifier

Oooooo! Snickers!

[hibidy]

I've already lost my creativity.........!!!!

However it's very interesting. I guess the idea is to bum off all your friends amps???? Or is it going to come with the sounds.

I dunno, the guys driving me nuts. And the guitar? Tune it OR burn it!

[fateamenabletochange]

.... knee deep in tweakerville so...bring it on

funny how the profiler vid is in there with the serial killers.
Cool looking hybrid which I'm sure will cost as much as a small car.

[hibidy]

I've already lost my creativity.........!!!!

However it's very interesting. I guess the idea is to bum off all your friends amps???? Or is it going to come with the sounds.

I dunno, the guys driving me nuts. And the guitar? Tune it OR burn it!

And I just picked mine up and the thing wouldn't stat in tune

It's teh cursezzzzzzzzz

[Hink]

.......the reference from the pod, the mic'd cab is very nice and the line out from the attenuator is up to what I use for speaker impulses......

interesting hearing about the differences.

I guess I'm trying to figure why things sound better out of my JMP headphone out, or the mix bus preamp headphone out it goes into...compared to the soundcard [presonus] headphone out.

me too but I'm not sure a 'better' soundcard will change that TBH I'm trying to think of a time I used the headphone out of my xt live and can't remember once...an experiment for the near future

Come to think of it my presonus has of course direct monitor and I could be very wrong on this because I'm no tech...but isn't direct monitor routing the input signal to the headphones before the converters?

[fateamenabletochange]

.....my presonus has of course direct monitor ......

I have the old Firepod, with the mixer knob, far anticlockwise input into unit, far clockwise playback which has the sound after it has gone through the DAW if you have your DAW monitor ON.

Yes, likely soundcard improvement difference would be marginal if any, just the nature of AD then DA conversion ? something gets lost

I'm kind of surprised this old Firepod still goes, it gets so flippin hot, and I have it on much of the time.

[Hink]

.....my presonus has of course direct monitor ......

I have the old Firepod, with the mixer knob, far anticlockwise input into unit, far clockwise playback which has the sound after it has gone through the DAW if you have your DAW monitor ON.

Yes, likely soundcard improvement difference would be marginal if any, just the nature of AD then DA conversion ? something gets lost

I'm kind of surprised this old Firepod still goes, it gets so flippin hot, and I have it on much of the time.

well then it does seem a new card might be in order, who knows what else it's doing to the signal