Reverberate - Convolution reverb with modulation for Mac and PC (AU, AAX, VST)

[cerendir]

First an ER module and now a tail module? Soon I can throw my algo verbs out and use Reverberate for everything

IOW, I like the idea of a tail feature. I suspect that it's mainly supposed to be used in conjunction with a short IR, but for the heck of it I paired it with the ER module just to hear what it sounds like. And it sounds very good with some tweaking. Some comments though:

1) It would be nice to have hi/lo damping for the tail. Or maybe this can be done already using the eq?

2) Though set to true stereo, the tail is completely centered no matter how I pan the input signal.

3) The diffusion parameter feels backwards to me. Shouldn't a high diffusion make the late reflections become more and more dense? The higher I set it, the more echo-y the tail becomes.

I understand that your goal may not be to create a full-fledged algo verb within Reverberate so to speak, but right now I don't think the tail feature is up to par with the rest of the modules. It feels a little crude, especially since it's not true stereo.

Great work nonetheless, I love this plugin.

[Klemperer]

Looking back 5 or 6 years at what we can do now in a native environment with reverb it's like another world and I am proud to be a part of that - I'd hate to see a whole category of plug-ins written off this way especially when we have new ground still to cover. I'll soon be fighting my corner in Computer Music magazine myself, but more on that soon...

Just found this answer, a tad late, thank you . A CM edition was great - hope it gets you many new full version users as well. I just renewed my subscription for the mag. Now a similar thread to the nice one run by Chris Randall would be great - you should think about something like that^^.

I'm still on 32bit but will download the (win) update now. Such a great reverb, it was for sure my best purchase in 2010.

[liquidsonics]

First an ER module and now a tail module? Soon I can throw my algo verbs out and use Reverberate for everything

IOW, I like the idea of a tail feature. I suspect that it's mainly supposed to be used in conjunction with a short IR, but for the heck of it I paired it with the ER module just to hear what it sounds like. And it sounds very good with some tweaking.

Thanks

1) It would be nice to have hi/lo damping for the tail. Or maybe this can be done already using the eq?

I did experiment with this kind of feature, but in the end concluded that the IRxEQ was just the best way to add EQs since they are far more flexible in terms of filter types, time variance and visualisation. All this isn't going to fit on the tail generator tab and I wasn't keen on duplication of features.

2) Though set to true stereo, the tail is completely centered no matter how I pan the input signal.

I would expect this. The distinct TS pairs generate different diffusion paths (when some diffusion is present at least) but they should stay centre panned whilst sounding slightly different. This is how true stereo IRs tend to behave; I loaded up some TS M7 IRs from Samplicity to check. When panned hard left or right the sound coming from the processor is different, but the net effect is a centred reverb whatever the panning.

3) The diffusion parameter feels backwards to me. Shouldn't a high diffusion make the late reflections become more and more dense? The higher I set it, the more echo-y the tail becomes.

You're right, I've got the parameter values showing back to front

Such a great reverb, it was for sure my best purchase in 2010.

[cerendir]

I would expect this. The distinct TS pairs generate different diffusion paths (when some diffusion is present at least) but they should stay centre panned whilst sounding slightly different. This is how true stereo IRs tend to behave; I loaded up some TS M7 IRs from Samplicity to check. When panned hard left or right the sound coming from the processor is different, but the net effect is a centred reverb whatever the panning.

Maybe I just need to fiddle more with the diffusion settings then, because I can't hear any difference when panning the signal left and right with the reverb solo'd. If there's a change in timbre it's so subtle my ears can't pick it up. Checked the same thing with an TS M7 IR (Worcester Hall) and with that I can clearly hear the sound source move from left to right. Yes, the reverb stays centered but the signal is clearly directional. It's hard to explain but this just doesn't happen with the artificial tail, it sounds like M2S to me.

[cerendir]

I've been experimenting some more with the tails feature and I'm still not crazy about the way it handles panned input signals. Even though I can get some distinct differences between the left and right channel, it still doesn't sound directional. To help explain what I mean, here's a few examples.

Reverberate (no ER) - signal panned hard left

Reverberate (no ER) - signal panned hard right

Now, this is more what I would expect:

Redline Reverb (no ER) - signal panned hard left

Redline Reverb (no ER) - signal panned hard right

Reverberate preset here.

Sorry about the nitpicking :/

[shanew711]

I'm using FL studio 9.8, and for everything I put the CM plugin on the output is delayed by at least a split second on every setting. I've been recording the output and then lining up the timings manually because I love the sound of the reverb.

[liquidsonics]

I'm using FL studio 9.8, and for everything I put the CM plugin on the output is delayed by at least a split second on every setting. I've been recording the output and then lining up the timings manually because I love the sound of the reverb.

A limitation of the CM edition is that it does not feature zero latency (though the delay is reported to the host for compensation if possible), for a zero delay convolver there are the commercial Reverberates or Reverberate LE.

[liquidsonics]

I've been experimenting some more with the tails feature and I'm still not crazy about the way it handles panned input signals. Even though I can get some distinct differences between the left and right channel, it still doesn't sound directional.

Thanks for the audio sample. I can hear what you're talking about. I have added some additional variance to the tail generator in true stereo mode (see v1.677) and also some attenuation to the IRxA-R (left-R) and IRxB-L (right-L) channels that provides a sense of directionality. See if this is more like what you mean or if it still needs work. I also note on your audio sample some additional pre-delay in some of the channels (left-R and right-L), but I have not attempted to replicate this as I wonder if sometimes this would not be desired as it is a very noticeable effect.

Sorry about the nitpicking :/

Not at all, this is a beta for a reason; I always appreciate feedback from users.

[shanew711]

OIC. Is the CM edition just the LE with delay or..? I love how CM music is so good at telling its customers exactly how their "Free software" is gimped somewhere in the article.

Reverberate CM feels like the girl I fell in love with before she told me she has a boyfriend.

[liquidsonics]

OIC. Is the CM edition just the LE with delay or..?

It is on Mac which LE isn't, plus has mono to stereo mode, so it's similar but not the same.

[cerendir]

Thanks for the audio sample. I can hear what you're talking about. I have added some additional variance to the tail generator in true stereo mode (see v1.677) and also some attenuation to the IRxA-R (left-R) and IRxB-L (right-L) channels that provides a sense of directionality. See if this is more like what you mean or if it still needs work.

I've only had time for a quick test run, but as far as I could hear this is exactly the effect I was after. Thank you! I'll experiment some more later tonight, I'll let you know if I find any quirks.

I also note on your audio sample some additional pre-delay in some of the channels (left-R and right-L), but I have not attempted to replicate this as I wonder if sometimes this would not be desired as it is a very noticeable effect.

Yeah, there might very well be some predelay in there, honestly I didn't pay much attention to the settings. It was just an example to illustrate the problem .

[hibidy]

Gawd I love reverberate

[cerendir]

OK, some more comments.

The generated tails need some pretty radical eq'ing to sound good. Right out of the box they sound like an unmusical wash of noise rather than reverb. Maybe this is what you intended -- i.e. for the end user to tweak everything to taste -- and if so it needs to be stated very clearly in the manual or many people are going to think the tails are unusable. Still, I think it would be better if the tails were lp-filtered by default as I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to use them as is. Saves time, if nothing else.

There is a also certain graininess to the tails that is hard to get rid of completely. I'm guessing this is because the tails are generated from noise. It's especially evident on signals with a lot of top end, like violins. Instead of smoothing out the harshness, as some good algo verbs do, it seems to amplify it. Any chance the tails could be made smoother and denser?

That said, I'm sure lots of people will like the feature just the way it is (and I *do* think it's a good addition to Reverberate). Not everyone wants that super-dense Lexi hall sound, so consider this my $0.02

[Elffin]

Will there be a native 64bit version of Reveberate LE?

[liquidsonics]

OK, some more comments.

The generated tails need some pretty radical eq'ing to sound good. Right out of the box they sound like an unmusical wash of noise rather than reverb. Maybe this is what you intended -- i.e. for the end user to tweak everything to taste -- and if so it needs to be stated very clearly in the manual or many people are going to think the tails are unusable. Still, I think it would be better if the tails were lp-filtered by default as I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to use them as is. Saves time, if nothing else.

I would hope when I do the presets, this will be less of an issue, those will take a little time and perhaps it would have been better to hold this back until then.

There is a also certain graininess to the tails that is hard to get rid of completely. I'm guessing this is because the tails are generated from noise. It's especially evident on signals with a lot of top end, like violins. Instead of smoothing out the harshness, as some good algo verbs do, it seems to amplify it. Any chance the tails could be made smoother and denser?

I am not sure how I would achieve that, but will look into things. Perhaps with some work on filtering I can address this in the top end to an extent. This is a fairly different way to generate tails, especially those with diffusion, so is a little experimental. There's always room for another type of tails generator

That said, I'm sure lots of people will like the feature just the way it is (and I *do* think it's a good addition to Reverberate). Not everyone wants that super-dense Lexi hall sound, so consider this my $0.02

I appreciate your feedback, thanks.

Will there be a native 64bit version of Reveberate LE?

This is not planned.