Heck, if I could I'd give it to you......
NanoStudio vs. BeatMaker 2, vs. Music Studio?
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- KVRian
- 621 posts since 5 Aug, 2002 from United States
Then, get Music Studio! I said above that it seems to be the one for you. You seem sold on it already, so that is the one you should get..... If I could I would sell you my copy, along with the two "sound sets" I bought for it.
Heck, if I could I'd give it to you......
Heck, if I could I'd give it to you......
Dell desktop Win 10 /2012 MacBook Pro
Cubase Pro 10/Mixcraft 9
Cubase Pro 10/Mixcraft 9
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- KVRAF
- 2686 posts since 5 Feb, 2004 from Nevada City, California
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1644 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from Lincoln, CA
ford442 - Thanks! I tried it, but too bad the thin setting doesn't have a neat break point right at 2-octaves, and cuts off smack in the middle of the G#/Ab key. That makes for a bit of a mental twist when working with double-decker keys. Music Studio's got its own problem too--the two keyboard rows are forced to control two separate tracks, and cannot be used on the same track.
BTW, when you use BeatMaker 2, do you ever miss having a synthesis engine to work with. For example, you have a very specific sound texture in mind but none of the provided samples can get close, and you're away from your computer so you can't do any sound design and then sample it and upload to BeatMaker? If there was something similar to ReWire where you can link up different apps, then you'd be able to use other synth apps while in BeatMaker, but I'm assuming this isn't possible?
Since sampling is already coming to Music Studio, I could just do my own synth sound design and sample them, but that's not quite the same as having a synth ready to go whenever I need it. If BeatMaker 2 had a synth, it could possibly push out Music Maker for me. But like I said previously, these apps are so cheap that I might just buy them all. I mean I can have an entire suite of music making tools installed. The only real shame is that they can't interact. Can you imagine if we had the equivalent of VST's and VST hosting in these apps? That would be so freaking awesome.
BTW, speaking of doing your own synth sound design and then sample the results, would that be possible with any of the synth and sampling apps, and then import that sample into BeatMaker--all without leaving the i-Device environment?
Hahaha, you REALLY don't like Music Studio that much, huh? I assume from your tone that license transfers are not allowed when it comes to these apps? Is this an Apple rule or determined by individual developers? Would jailbreaking the iDevices change any of this?Dewaine wrote:Then, get Music Studio! I said above that it seems to be the one for you. You seem sold on it already, so that is the one you should get..... If I could I would sell you my copy, along with the two "sound sets" I bought for it.
Heck, if I could I'd give it to you......
BTW, when you use BeatMaker 2, do you ever miss having a synthesis engine to work with. For example, you have a very specific sound texture in mind but none of the provided samples can get close, and you're away from your computer so you can't do any sound design and then sample it and upload to BeatMaker? If there was something similar to ReWire where you can link up different apps, then you'd be able to use other synth apps while in BeatMaker, but I'm assuming this isn't possible?
Since sampling is already coming to Music Studio, I could just do my own synth sound design and sample them, but that's not quite the same as having a synth ready to go whenever I need it. If BeatMaker 2 had a synth, it could possibly push out Music Maker for me. But like I said previously, these apps are so cheap that I might just buy them all. I mean I can have an entire suite of music making tools installed. The only real shame is that they can't interact. Can you imagine if we had the equivalent of VST's and VST hosting in these apps? That would be so freaking awesome.
BTW, speaking of doing your own synth sound design and then sample the results, would that be possible with any of the synth and sampling apps, and then import that sample into BeatMaker--all without leaving the i-Device environment?
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- KVRian
- 621 posts since 5 Aug, 2002 from United States
You can actually do that within BM2. You can run filters, ADSR, etc on the sample to change it... Then save as a new sample..... My last post on the thread.... My advice is to get Music Studio.... It is what you are sold on, and again these apps are cheap. You can get Nanostudio, BM2 and Music Studio for $50..... No big loss....
By the way... Music Studio will soon be released in a new skin, and a few more features as FL Studio mobile. Check out threads in this forum.......
By the way... Music Studio will soon be released in a new skin, and a few more features as FL Studio mobile. Check out threads in this forum.......
Dell desktop Win 10 /2012 MacBook Pro
Cubase Pro 10/Mixcraft 9
Cubase Pro 10/Mixcraft 9
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 7 Mar, 2011
I'm currently running both NS and MS on iPad and I have to say: NS is eating MS's lunch!
The ONLY thing that MS has going for it is 128 tracks.... But I have NEVER, even on a full DAW used more than a dozen or so tracks.
Add to that the resampling function in NS and track limitations go away completely.
I also compose rather than only loop and sample mash, although I do occasionally use a sample I've made or snagged somewhere and the workflow in NS is well suited to the task...IMHO.
I really have no experience with BM2, but on cursory examination it just seems toyish.
The ONLY thing that MS has going for it is 128 tracks.... But I have NEVER, even on a full DAW used more than a dozen or so tracks.
Add to that the resampling function in NS and track limitations go away completely.
I also compose rather than only loop and sample mash, although I do occasionally use a sample I've made or snagged somewhere and the workflow in NS is well suited to the task...IMHO.
I really have no experience with BM2, but on cursory examination it just seems toyish.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1644 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from Lincoln, CA
I've been playing around with the NanoStudio PC version, and so far, I'm not really seeing anything that struck me as obviously superior to Music Studio, other than the fact it has synthesis. Can you elaborate on what you find vastly superior in NanoStudio? Maybe there are things I have missed, and I'd like to know (for the sake of learning some new tricks in it).SomThiNWikiD wrote:I'm currently running both NS and MS on iPad and I have to say: NS is eating MS's lunch!
The ONLY thing that MS has going for it is 128 tracks.... But I have NEVER, even on a full DAW used more than a dozen or so tracks.
Add to that the resampling function in NS and track limitations go away completely.
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 7 Mar, 2011
A lot of it is the Eden synths and the TRG-16.
And the sequencer is pretty damned robust as well.
I've no idea what NS is like on a traditional computer
But on touch platform it's just a seamless creative flow.
So many of these other "DAW" (if you can call them that)
Apps seem to be geared towards hobbyists whereas NS
Was put together by a seasoned musician for musicians.
For specs you know where to go so I'm not going to bother
reprinting that here.
And the sequencer is pretty damned robust as well.
I've no idea what NS is like on a traditional computer
But on touch platform it's just a seamless creative flow.
So many of these other "DAW" (if you can call them that)
Apps seem to be geared towards hobbyists whereas NS
Was put together by a seasoned musician for musicians.
For specs you know where to go so I'm not going to bother
reprinting that here.
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 7 Mar, 2011
I can't be bothered with lots of setup of instruments, midi mapping, blah blah blah...
It messes with my creative process. I want to be able to load my synth patches and go.
But I do love knob tweaking as a performance enhancement
And NS Eden synth allows for that too.
And for drum programming I absolutely hate pattern sequencers...
I came up on the MPC and as for live feel of drums nothing beats
That format for me. The TRGs 16 programable pads are perfect for me
It messes with my creative process. I want to be able to load my synth patches and go.
But I do love knob tweaking as a performance enhancement
And NS Eden synth allows for that too.
And for drum programming I absolutely hate pattern sequencers...
I came up on the MPC and as for live feel of drums nothing beats
That format for me. The TRGs 16 programable pads are perfect for me
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- KVRian
- 621 posts since 5 Aug, 2002 from United States
You should look a little closer.... I have both, and only use BM2... it is WAY ahead of Nanostudio. Excellent piano roll (very much like the one in NS), unlimited tracks, 3 effects per track, import your own samples (I like to sample Eden and import the sound in BM2 to work with), real audio editing, real beat chopper, etc....SomThiNWikiD wrote: I really have no experience with BM2, but on cursory examination it just seems toyish.
I hope NS catches up, but 9 months after release, the developer still has not delivered the promised iPad update........
Anyway, use the tools you got.... enjoy!
Dell desktop Win 10 /2012 MacBook Pro
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 6 Mar, 2011
After some further reading, it seems that BM2 seems to just blow MS out of the water with its features. It can do everything MS can do and even more...
Apart from NS's synth functionalities, if there's nothing else that the other DAWs can do that BM2 can't, I'll probably just get BM2.
Apart from NS's synth functionalities, if there's nothing else that the other DAWs can do that BM2 can't, I'll probably just get BM2.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 6 Mar, 2011
Huh. Apparently there isn't a fader on the main mix in BM2, and you can't add effects to the main mix either :S Now I can't decide again.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1644 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from Lincoln, CA
Once FL Studio Mobile comes out, it's going to be an even harder decision, because Image-Line worked together with Xewton (developer of Music Studio), and apparently, FL Studio will use Music Studio's technology, while adding additional features like:
- a step sequencer
- drumpads for the drumkits
- Image-Line (sample, synth & drum) content
- an export module to allow import in FL Studio
- a new UI
And in return, it looks like Music Studio will benefit from this collaboration by having some of these newly developed features, as well as some more of their own, such as:
+ Audio tracks (wav import, mic recording)
+ AudioCopy/Paste and SoundCloud support
+ Sampling
+ Drum pads and a step sequencer
+ Improved effect bus structure
+ Tempo track
+ Import of xms and midi files (append to the current song)
+ Volume slopes in the piano-roll editor or volume automation
+ More/dynamic grid lines in the piano-roll editor
+ ogg export
+ Lots of minor improvements on our list
I think all of this will tip things back in their favor again (unless you really need to have synthesis, then only NanoStudio and Xenon will do).
- a step sequencer
- drumpads for the drumkits
- Image-Line (sample, synth & drum) content
- an export module to allow import in FL Studio
- a new UI
And in return, it looks like Music Studio will benefit from this collaboration by having some of these newly developed features, as well as some more of their own, such as:
+ Audio tracks (wav import, mic recording)
+ AudioCopy/Paste and SoundCloud support
+ Sampling
+ Drum pads and a step sequencer
+ Improved effect bus structure
+ Tempo track
+ Import of xms and midi files (append to the current song)
+ Volume slopes in the piano-roll editor or volume automation
+ More/dynamic grid lines in the piano-roll editor
+ ogg export
+ Lots of minor improvements on our list
I think all of this will tip things back in their favor again (unless you really need to have synthesis, then only NanoStudio and Xenon will do).
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 7 Mar, 2011
Must have synths 
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Aaah...missed this thread: "X vs. Y vs Z"...The app DAW war has begun.
Lunatigue made a fine list of features to be expected in Music Studio. It will indeed be a major jump for them if they achieve it. So far I am using Nanosstudio and Beatmaker 2 in conjunction. I also bought music studio and it was a major disappointment to me. Not only due to the lack of the features listed by Lunatique -I already knew about them- but simple because the sound libraries for the rompler are stunningly small, even when you buy the add ons. There are attack and decay pr. synth but no filter tweaks nor filter envelopes like in Beatmaker 2. There is only one additional filter you can add and automate from the one an only effect chain that music studio got and this will prevent you from using the effects on other synths. With no support for adding your own samples, the scope of sound is very small if you for instance like to make electronic music.
What I basically need is a synthstudio and the rompler/sampler approach hardly reach it, not even Beatmaker 2. Nanostudio and Aurora are at present the best synthstudios IMO, while Beatmaker 2 must be the best samplerstudio so far..and music studio...needs to grow or else the Fruity App and Garageband will eat it for lunch. I wish them luck. Look forward to actually use Music Studio for something.
Lunatigue made a fine list of features to be expected in Music Studio. It will indeed be a major jump for them if they achieve it. So far I am using Nanosstudio and Beatmaker 2 in conjunction. I also bought music studio and it was a major disappointment to me. Not only due to the lack of the features listed by Lunatique -I already knew about them- but simple because the sound libraries for the rompler are stunningly small, even when you buy the add ons. There are attack and decay pr. synth but no filter tweaks nor filter envelopes like in Beatmaker 2. There is only one additional filter you can add and automate from the one an only effect chain that music studio got and this will prevent you from using the effects on other synths. With no support for adding your own samples, the scope of sound is very small if you for instance like to make electronic music.
What I basically need is a synthstudio and the rompler/sampler approach hardly reach it, not even Beatmaker 2. Nanostudio and Aurora are at present the best synthstudios IMO, while Beatmaker 2 must be the best samplerstudio so far..and music studio...needs to grow or else the Fruity App and Garageband will eat it for lunch. I wish them luck. Look forward to actually use Music Studio for something.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1644 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from Lincoln, CA
Yeah, I think for the KVR crowd, Music Studio is not really the app they need, since most KVR members focus on electronic music. On a forum like V.I.Control, I'm sure Music Studio will be more popular due to the inclusion of orchestral, ethnic, rock/pop, and jazz instruments, and many orchestral score composers really couldn't less about having synthesis or the quality of included sounds, since they'd export the MIDI data to be replaced expensive sample libraries, synths, and effects anyway.