Slate Virtual Console Plugin is now available

[4damind]

sorry for asking so late here, but is VCC suitable for electronic dance music?
or is it more for rock, metal or guitar music in general?

Of course I made some short examples on page 8 which hopefully helps also a bit for EDM style. Here the links again:
Without VCC
With VCC - SSL
With VCC - Neve
With VCC - API
With VCC - Trident

[b-pole]

trance examples on p.8

sorry, do not find them. link please?

[Lenticular]

There are some trance examples on p.8 and a bit of discussion. Steven said himself it's perfect for electronic music.

thanks for info.
how long is the offer with the included iLok2?

7 day sale, I think it ends Sunday???

[b-pole]

Of course I made some short examples on page 8 which hopefully helps also a bit for EDM style. Here the links again:

thanks for them, found now, too.

[b-pole]

7 day sale, I think it ends Sunday???

better would be next Sunday, getting money from job not before the 24th. of March.

Perhaps he will make an exception?

[Liero]

What I have a problem with, is that everyone can access that particular plugin set, and then claim they are the best among the best mixers and musicians on the market.

Seriously, W-T-F? You want to pay more for software for the sole reason that (you think) this will somehow make less people on the internet act like morons? Wow, you are really making the world a better place. Think of the millions of people in compyfox's fantasy world who simply could not bring themselves to post crap into youtube for the sole reason that they could not afford to buy VCC.

I think you're just feeling covetous and you're trying to mask it up with the silliest excuses I've ever encountered.

You have something you think is great and you don't want other people to have it, period.

[idolo1co]

I don't know how I'm going to manage this but I also MUST get the VCC...I'm not commenting one way or another whether or not the price is high/low it's just high for ME right now but it doesn't mean it's not worth every penny..that's subjective however and up to each person to determine for themselves.

To bduffy...THANKS for those fantastic audio examples - not only did they clearly demonstrate the audible difference the VCC makes but your explanations under each were FANTASTIC and helped me mentally verbalize what my ears were hearing but couldn't entirely formulate into words...very helpfull...

On a side note...I don't know who the composer(s) of that clip is but I REALLY need to hear more...I haven't heard a sound like that - arrangement/composition wise (nor the overall sound of the guitars) in a looong time - it is my preferred "sound" and style of music, and would love to hear more...is there a commercially available source?

Hey man, thanks a lot! Firstly, I'm always glad to help out. I love to hear examples, especially with something like this, so super happy if people can benefit from it. Also keeps me off the streets.

Secondly, I'm really thrilled you liked the examples! That's from my band Arkana's last CD "Automat6n" from 2007 (but tracked throughout the 00's). You can get it at CD Baby, and and it's on iTunes and other retail places too. Let me know if you like it, I haven't been too proactive in promoting it, mostly because I've moved on so far in my mixing since then, it's hard for me to listen to. But I'm proud of it still.

Anyways, thanks again! Here's to saving up for VCC!

Hey bduffy...I just went over to cdbaby to listen to some samples of your music and it was pleasing to see that where they list related items The Cure was listed as this was actually immediately where my mind went when I heard your audio clips...the jangly guitars...which I

Which is not to say it sounds like The Cure but I can hear an influence which is not a bad thing AT ALL in my opinion. Some of the greatest bands today list The Cure as one of their major influences. In today's world of "Lady Gagas" music like this is very often pushed aside or under valued unfortunately.

But...I'm very impressed and definitely my cup of tea and will need to purchase this cd. Keep up the awesome work man and stay off dem streets ...Let the saving commence!

[bduffy]

I don't know how I'm going to manage this but I also MUST get the VCC...I'm not commenting one way or another whether or not the price is high/low it's just high for ME right now but it doesn't mean it's not worth every penny..that's subjective however and up to each person to determine for themselves.

To bduffy...THANKS for those fantastic audio examples - not only did they clearly demonstrate the audible difference the VCC makes but your explanations under each were FANTASTIC and helped me mentally verbalize what my ears were hearing but couldn't entirely formulate into words...very helpfull...

On a side note...I don't know who the composer(s) of that clip is but I REALLY need to hear more...I haven't heard a sound like that - arrangement/composition wise (nor the overall sound of the guitars) in a looong time - it is my preferred "sound" and style of music, and would love to hear more...is there a commercially available source?

Hey man, thanks a lot! Firstly, I'm always glad to help out. I love to hear examples, especially with something like this, so super happy if people can benefit from it. Also keeps me off the streets.

Secondly, I'm really thrilled you liked the examples! That's from my band Arkana's last CD "Automat6n" from 2007 (but tracked throughout the 00's). You can get it at CD Baby, and and it's on iTunes and other retail places too. Let me know if you like it, I haven't been too proactive in promoting it, mostly because I've moved on so far in my mixing since then, it's hard for me to listen to. But I'm proud of it still.

Anyways, thanks again! Here's to saving up for VCC!

Hey bduffy...I just went over to cdbaby to listen to some samples of your music and it was pleasing to see that where they list related items The Cure was listed as this was actually immediately where my mind went when I heard your audio clips...the jangly guitars...which I

Which is not to say it sounds like The Cure but I can hear an influence which is not a bad thing AT ALL in my opinion. Some of the greatest bands today list The Cure as one of their major influences. In today's world of "Lady Gagas" music like this is very often pushed aside or under valued unfortunately.

But...I'm very impressed and definitely my cup of tea and will need to purchase this cd. Keep up the awesome work man and stay off dem streets ...Let the saving commence!

Ha ha! Yeah, I get "The Cure" all the time, and I have to admit, there was a Head on the Door poster hanging in my bedroom in Grade 10, so no worries. 'Tis a compliment of the highest order!

Glad you liked it. I'll make some noise when a new album is ready, should be in the next year. You know, before the end of the world and all.

[monkeymanx]

Ok, so after some demoing I see what this does and I understand that 10% thing. It definitely is that last thing you are trying to achieve. The Brit N is awesome on the drums buss. That Poseidon one is nice on vocals. I'm still trying to find the best placement. Is there a in depth manual coming? Is the channel like just plugging into one channel on the board? And is the mix buss version like the main on the board?

I am probably going to purchase this. I think I do a pretty good job mixing and this would add that extra layer to the audio cake that has been missing for me. What ever these consoles do is definitely noticed with appropriate audio fed into them.

[Zero dB]

Hmm just had a listen to bduffy's examples - I've not had a chance to read through the whole thread or try the plug for myself.

It sounds ok but you know what? It still sounds like a plugin. A pretty good one maybe, but just another plugin, sadly. It sounds dry, cold and brittle. I'm fortunate to have some API hardware here and just passing audio through it makes you smile in a way I've not yet found with software. Does something completely different. I really wish that wasn't the case. Anyone with high-end analog gear will know what I'm talking about.

Why are people getting excited about this thing? I'm not hearing it...

ZdB

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Hmm just had a listen to bduffy's examples - I've not had a chance to read through the whole thread or try the plug for myself.

It sounds ok but you know what? It still sounds like a plugin. A pretty good one maybe, but just another plugin, sadly. It sounds dry, cold and brittle. I'm fortunate to have some API hardware here and just passing audio through it makes you smile in a way I've not yet found with software. Does something completely different. I really wish that wasn't the case. Anyone with high-end analog gear will know what I'm talking about.

Why are people getting excited about this thing? I'm not hearing it...

ZdB

I may be with you. So far, I don't like what I'm hearing on the top end. Looking at bduffy's examples, my favorite was either the original followed by the Brit N. The others all sound beefier, louder, etc., but I find the top end kind of harsh in the other examples. I don't know if it's just the saturation I'm not liking, but there are some not-so-pleasant-sounding things going on with the hats and the top end of the snare IMO. What I'm hearing sounds sort of crunchy, harsh, grainy, whatever.

Bduffy, I'm pretty sure you have access to a UAD-2 card right? For the sake of comparison, can you do a version that replaces the VCC on each of the channels with the UAD Studer? I know they're completely different beasts, and I'm not trying to compare the Studer with VCC per se, I just want to see how the Studer impacts the top end on your source material, since I don't find the Studer to sound harsh at all when within the normal operating range but I'm hearing something I don't like on the VCC with your material.

[Slate]

To me, the sound of these plugins speak for themselves and i would strongly recommend using them yourself before making judgement based on one person's demos. We'll be doing more mix a/b comparisons using the actual desks we modeled, and I'd be very surprised if people could pick the emulation from the hardware in a blind test. Back when Fabrice first finished the individual algorithms, we did this type of test on gearslutz and most people failed.

We realize that there would be people who would claim that their hardware was better because no one ever wants to admit that software can sound just like analog.. I was one of those people until the VCC. So that's why I knew that we couldn't release the VCC until it was indistinguishable from the hardware, which for my snobby ears, it is!

I think bduffy's examples are great, but I wouldn't judge the plugin based on just hearing them alone.. I'd try it on your own mixes. Hopefully then you'll hear what everyone is fussing about!

I'll be posting hardware/emulation mixes next week.. including the US A Discrete which is a fantastic sounding desk. So if you think you can hear the difference between what these plugins and and what real analog circuits do, you'll have an easy way to prove it.

If I'm coming off defensive or pitchy, its unintentional and is really just me being extremely passionate about this product, which has consumed my life for over a year now.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I hear you Steven, and don't worry about defending your product, I'd never fault someone for believing in their work. The problem is I can't demo the plugins as I don't have an iLok2, and though VCC had me close to giving in and just getting one, in the end I personally wasn't ready to do that based on faith alone. All in all, I'm still very interested in VCC and have not made up my mind about it. And I'd definitely like to hear the A/B's with the original consoles. It's a great idea, and I know the overall reviews of the plugin have been overwhelmingly positive when it comes to sound.

[Slate]

I'm really trying to figure out a way to make a non ilok2 demo.. Most people who demo the product end up purchasing it. The issue is how..

I've thought about numerous ideas but none are perfect..

Limited demo on ilok1 (maybe just the Brit 4k desk... 30 second mutes... no grouping)

Limited demo no ilok (just one desk, 30 second mutes, no oversampling or grouping)

We'd still have the unlimited ilok2 demo as well.

For those of you who have the VCC.. do you think the Brit4k is enough to give a user an idea of the plugin?

[LGK_Dude]

I dont own an ilok 2, so I want to thank you for even considering putting out a demo that does not require it! I wish there was a way to demo all the desks without ilok2 of course, as obviously different desks will react....well...differently. Is there a way to do a demo of all the desks with 30 second silence? I'll take what I can get of course, but it would be great to demo them all.

I take it a full demo isn't available on ilok1 for a reason though.