KVR Audio

Dr.Gunjah · Post by **Dr.Gunjah** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:31 pm

Just in case I missed a definite statement - will there be a non-iLok demo (or ilok1 demo) or not?

Cheers,
Doc

bishop666 · Post by **bishop666** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:12 pm

There will be no other than the iloked2 demo. Compyfox convinced Slate to keep the user base small, excluding many who are interested

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:20 pm

If you say so, it must be right... especially since nothing was set in stone.
And funny though that I wasn't the only one commenting on a possible demo.

But sure, take my word for granted. Someone has to be the black sheep among the bunch.

I feel seriously sorry for you people...

No really, I do.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:28 pm

Compyfox wrote:
I feel seriously sorry for you people...

No really, I do.

You are such a renegade..

Can we get on topic?

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:30 pm

I am on topic.

Are you not?

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:10 am

Compyfox wrote:I am on topic.

Are you not?

I think so. If you think i am not it's because I was responding to some semantic guy

Anyway..Slate does decreased CPU you are mentioning in new build means less quality sound or you guys managed to pull same quality with less CPU consumption?

What about two additional console models? Will they find their way into VCC update or this is planned for VCC2?

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:28 am

kmonkey wrote: Anyway..Slate does decreased CPU you are mentioning in new build means less quality sound or you guys managed to pull same quality with less CPU consumption?

I certainly hope not and I think Slate has mentioned on several occasions that optimizations will be made so that it won't compromise the sound quality!

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:15 am

Just buy the damn thing. If it's not worth it sell it on, you wont but you have that option. It's priced cheaply enough for what it offers and achieves. I know this plugin will get better and I can foresee more modules/add-ons in the future. Be mad not too.

Here in UK works out at £160 including a £40 dongle...do the maths this is a no brainer. TBH I believe it should be put up in price

It's too cheap...

...on the other hand. Dont buy it. It's a free world of choice and indecision

sonicpowa · Post by **sonicpowa** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:25 am

bishop666 wrote:..keep the user base small, excluding many who are interested

That's good news! I don't have to worry about getting rid of my money..

It would be quicker to use the plugin for a little sound enhancement than tweaking a bunch of other plugins, tough. It would save about 20 minutes.
Edit: Ah I forgot it's with a dongle, so it's no already..

Nokenoku · Post by **Nokenoku** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:41 am

MFXxx wrote:Here in UK works out at £160 including a £40 dongle...do the maths this is a no brainer.

No, it's a lot of money.
And from what I heard from this thing yet, the effect is so small, that it doesn't matter (also it's nothing special).

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:42 am

"Of course I won't buy an amazing plugin if its iLok protected! I prefer to spent hours of tweaking other non protected plugins - even if they don't sound anything like it!"

Dr.Gunjah · Post by **Dr.Gunjah** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:13 am

yeah people, move on and just buy a $250 product without testing it because some guys on the internet said it's worth even more !!!

bishop666 · Post by **bishop666** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:58 am

There'll be competitors soon. And they'll be better by quality means, more comfortable, offer more consoles, less cpu, etc.

And they will offer ilok2-free demos. That's the way technology is.

So don't worry. It is just the beginning

Take a look at the amp sim history. Someone had the idea, now there are infinite amps sims...

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:20 pm

kmonkey wrote:Anyway..Slate does decreased CPU you are mentioning in new build means less quality sound or you guys managed to pull same quality with less CPU consumption?

No, I don't think so.

The code will just be optimized with very minimal setbacks. I trust Fabrice Gabriel in that section. I mean, hey... his main firm is Eiosis... and he insists on quality sound.

kmonkey wrote: What about two additional console models? Will they find their way into VCC update or this is planned for VCC2?

In alpha, there were actually seven consoles planned, which turned out to be a bit much work for an initial release. There's still another Brik 9k (around 90ies) planned, a RCA desk (early 60ies IIRC), and a Neo(tech). Or... I think I miss the "tubey" (8 consoles?) one... not sure atm which one that was...

Anyways...
A couple of users (myself included) also recommended more desks to port (in my case, another south-east british 60ies transfer console, yet another mid-west british end-90ies split console, once more a south-east british mid-2000 tube console, a German 60-80ies broadcast console, and one known/hated branch with consoles for "consumer" abuse).

According to mails with Steven from a couple of months ago, the VCC system is easy to upgrade. So I'd stay tuned what the future might bring additionally.

MFXxx wrote:TBH I believe it should be put up in price It's too cheap...

...on the other hand. Dont buy it. It's a free world of choice and indecision

Finally I'm not completely alone anymore.

Nokenoku wrote:And from what I heard from this thing yet, the effect is so small, that it doesn't matter (also it's nothing special).

There is a bit more to it than meets the eye. Since beta days, this plugin drasically changed in terms of sound and features. I think it sounds so "subtle" to a lot of listeners, since nobody really overdrives this thing (which results in very quiet nulling - with tests on my end, about -70dBFS artefacts - with BETA 2.5, the version before the iLok2/final). Either that, or people still focus on the old "beta" audio demos. On top of that, different audio material, different taste in terms of sound, different workflow, etc.

The real strong points on VCC are IMO:
- channel drift (alters the internal circuity to let no channel sound/respond exactly the same)
- drive (even more "colorisation" of the sound on top of pushing the material into the headroom/softclip)
- the ability to mix and match (you can mix a Brit 4k from end 70ies if we talk E, with Brit N probably from the 80ies, and maybe add some "Poseidon's weapon" sound from the late 60ies to vocals)

If you run "optimum levels" or stick to the rules and not overdrive these consoles (as it is normal nowadays), no wonder you barely hear any difference. At least in my(!!!) personal opinion.

Then again, being subtle is actually not totally the case. Even the MIX BUSS plugin in default mode added as only VCC instance adds a lot to the sound. Granted, nothing that can't be done with <name-your-favourite-emulation> in this case if you only run "one" plugin (aka MIX BUSS only) - but the whole pack is what makes the difference. Maybe subtle to some of the users in here (aka the sceptical ones), but huge enough on the long run. Especially if properly calibrated, which the rest of your used plugins/tools might actually benefit from as well.

Again, personal opinion.
And a lot of advertising on top of it if I may add.

dalor wrote:"Of course I won't buy an amazing plugin if its iLok protected! I prefer to spent hours of tweaking other non protected plugins - even if they don't sound anything like it!"

That comment made my day. Kudos to you, sir.

Dr.Gunjah wrote:...some guys...

Exactly... some guys.

bishop666 wrote:There'll be competitors soon. And they'll be better by quality means, more comfortable, offer more consoles, less cpu, etc.

Speaking of SoundToys mayhaps?

bishop666 wrote: And they will offer ilok2-free demos. That's the way technology is.

No, you don't speak of SoundToys... they don't offer ilok free demos. Neither does Acoustica Audio (unless 3rd Party devs offer presets for "free/demo")

And I don't think that's the way "technology" is - trolling is more the case, and "open doors" for hackers. But then again, I agree to disagree.

So there you go. Satisfied your need for even more trolling.

bishop666 · Post by **bishop666** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:37 pm

Sorry copyfox, i wasn't speaking of soundtoys. Anyways, i muted you, so i don't need to scroll all the way past your pamphlets. cu

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