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MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:06 pm

Bronto Scorpio wrote:
LBN wrote:Why do they have a picture of four middle aged men dressed in clown clothes on their product page?
As I said before, NI wants to be trendy all the time. I don't know what's trendy at the moment but it seems to be middle aged man in clown clothes

Cheers
Dennis

Middle aged men trendy...yay we're back, better warn the wife I'm trandy again and using a razor for the first time lol...I can be such a clown at times

better get the trendy belt out!!!
Discovered two great new synths this weekend Omnisphere (finally got it after 2 years) and Razor...let's stay busy

sonicpowa · Post by **sonicpowa** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:30 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Just one lock button.

+1 That would be great.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:21 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
errorsmith wrote:hi everybody,
i read this critique about razor and i thought it's a good idea to comment on it as i developed razor. I hope you don't mind.

Echoes in the Attic wrote:I agree about the selection functionality for waveforms and filters etc. Why the hell would they design it like that to automatically turn off the selection set so that you have to keep going back to the menu to click it on and then go back to the selection frame. So annoying, terrible workflow for that. And you're almost always going to want to try a few different types of waveforms, filters etc. I don't even understand how the people who made it could have not gone crazy with it as it is.
For me it works very well the way it is. I want to see the spectral display after selection so i know what the osc / filter type is doing. Especially when i try different knob settings for it. That's what i do mostly after selection. To have another button in the picker to close it would hamper my workflow.

Its the usual pop-up behavior: The picker disappears after selection. Ok, in razor the pop up is shown at a central position, so you have to go a little longer way with the mouse, for me that is ok.

all the best

erik
Thanks for commenting. Let me say that I still think it's a great synth so I hope you don't take offense at this one criticism. But I really do think it's really unpleasant to switch settings. It's not really the same as a menu as you mentioned because you have to go to a different part of the screen to make the selection. It becomes very tedious, especially when you're getting to know the synth. If you just had a single button near the display to lock the display to the current parameter selection that would make everyone happy. You could leave it unlocked and have it automatically revert to the graphical display. And everyone else could have it stay on the current parameter they are selecting until they click it again. Just one lock button.

cheers

Yeah there needs to be a way to keep it open. Many people like to try between several filter or osc types to hear what works best but having it close everytime makes it hard to really compare them without a lot of back and forth.

Fedorahat · Post by **Fedorahat** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:49 am

**For the Dubstep guys***

I am a dubstep producer.. but I didn't buy this just from watching that rubbish attempt at a Dubstep demo video that was going around forums.

Firstly, this IS NOT a Dubstep synth. It was purely a marketing ploy. Massive is the Dubstep synth of all synths.

Don't get me wrong, Razor is a great synth, I have actually sat down and started getting all Brian Eno on my ass! Razor is very good for ambient type sounds, but if you want complex modulated sounds, then it just falls down.

I bought it and sadly I am disappointed, it looked liked it promised more, but frankly the way NI marketed as somekind of dubstep super synth is pathetic.

If want want some great pad sounds, then get it...if you want Dubstep sounds..then stick with Massive!

Fedorahat · Post by **Fedorahat** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:52 am

Oh, I forgot to mention. Trying to modulate something is a pain in the ass! The click area is too small and the whole closing window thing is just annoying!

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:42 am

Bronto Scorpio wrote:
LBN wrote:Why do they have a picture of four middle aged men dressed in clown clothes on their product page?
As I said before, NI wants to be trendy all the time. I don't know what's trendy at the moment but it seems to be middle aged man in clown clothes

You mean these?:

Like Radiohead once said:

"You're so very special. I wish I was special....."

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:17 pm

I bought it... and it's a huge CPU hog (Intel i7).

Anyways, it can make some cool sounds but I honestly don't know if it is worth the money. Massive is way better.

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:20 pm

thelizard wrote:Okay, I study synthesis academically, so I'll give my non-dubstep opinion. I just bought this ten minutes ago, so I'll be giving running impressions:

-The interface is incredible. I immediately know where everything is.
-The oscillator selections are quite interesting. It has standard square-to-saws, formants, etc., but it also has some really cool ones like primes.
-The filters appear to be where it's at. The waterbed is really neat, but I'm particularly in love with formant decay. The Centroid stage mangles everything even further. I'm hearing some very fresh, new timbres right away.
-It runs a bit hot, but the two different limiters do their job. One is per partial, the other is end-stage, and has a nice sounding drive.

Thanks for that post. I hope you dont work for NI.

The non-dubstep academic synthesis opinion is exactly what the reviews of this need.

The Mouth got a lot of us from what I have seen.
There was no question I needed that one, wether it required Reaktor, a third thumb, or stardust, but now its really easy to take a second look at anything Reaktor since I now have to live with that monster. (Although to be fair v5 runs much smoother for me as a vsti than I remember the original version I used.)
So.. Im looking for this thread to pre-justify this one for me.

I do dabble in the wobble and I am aware that I have already been hypnotized by NIs demo vids.

Oh, I wear hats often. But I have a high maintenance head. But its not so much a fashion thing. See, Im a grown up, with dreads. Silly, I know.
But, bonus: Hood pass. My dubstep "sounds better" this way.

Or, I hear it better.
♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫......

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:40 pm

Dubsteppers get bald sooner because of the WOBBLE bas .the WohOBle is bad for the hair .
That's why they wear hats

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:11 pm

Massive is absolutely Masssive. NI's website can't seem to handle the traffic. I'm getting a very slow load time.

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:24 pm

Fedorahat wrote:**For the Dubstep guys***

I am a dubstep producer.. but I didn't buy this just from watching that rubbish attempt at a Dubstep demo video that was going around forums.

Firstly, this IS NOT a Dubstep synth. It was purely a marketing ploy. Massive is the Dubstep synth of all synths.

Don't get me wrong, Razor is a great synth, I have actually sat down and started getting all Brian Eno on my ass! Razor is very good for ambient type sounds, but if you want complex modulated sounds, then it just falls down.

I bought it and sadly I am disappointed, it looked liked it promised more, but frankly the way NI marketed as somekind of dubstep super synth is pathetic.

If want want some great pad sounds, then get it...if you want Dubstep sounds..then stick with Massive!

There is no such thing as a "Dubstep synth". You can use any synth to make dubstep as long as it makes sound.

In fact you don't even need a Synth, there are cats like Burial who mostly use samples.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:25 pm

v1o wrote:
Fedorahat wrote:**For the Dubstep guys***

I am a dubstep producer.. but I didn't buy this just from watching that rubbish attempt at a Dubstep demo video that was going around forums.

Firstly, this IS NOT a Dubstep synth. It was purely a marketing ploy. Massive is the Dubstep synth of all synths.

Don't get me wrong, Razor is a great synth, I have actually sat down and started getting all Brian Eno on my ass! Razor is very good for ambient type sounds, but if you want complex modulated sounds, then it just falls down.

I bought it and sadly I am disappointed, it looked liked it promised more, but frankly the way NI marketed as somekind of dubstep super synth is pathetic.

If want want some great pad sounds, then get it...if you want Dubstep sounds..then stick with Massive!
There is no such thing as a "Dubstep synth". You can use any synth to make dubstep as long as it makes sound.

In fact you don't even need a Synth, there are cats like Burial who mostly use samples.

what samples did Burial use? if it's going to oofftopic please pm me it would interest me

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fhunktion · Post by **fhunktion** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:59 pm

@ fedorahat. if you have the full version of reaktor you can add in some of the automation instruments to the ens and get crazy on the modulation front.

Melvin J. · Post by **Melvin J.** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:17 pm

Just a heads up to anyone using Razor, the LFO's are not perfectly in time when set to beat. Confirm by quickly assigning LFO 1 to Osc. 1's amp control so it pulses on and off to a qtr note and hold a single note for a good bit against a sample of drum or metronome. The LFO's are going slightly slower than the host tempo. If you loop something like a four bar phrase, you should have a pretty noticeable glitch on each repeat as the LFO retriggers. Like I said, just a heads up.

JavaJ · Post by **JavaJ** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:01 pm

What the heck is Dumbstep anyways?

Razor by Errorsmith / Native Instruments