Simple rhythm and melody composing theory for newbs

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When you see those 4/4 measures you go like this. How would I fit a melody in 4/4 measure?
And you start to put notes and you soon give up.

But that's because you are thinking wrong. Real melodies go like this:


1231 2123 4512 3412 3123 4561 2345 6712 3123 4123 456

Ok what is THAT?

Each numbers represent a note. And 123 means 1 and 2 and 3 are CONNECTED.

[4beats] [4beats] [4beats] [4beats]
1231 2123 4512 3412 3123 4561 2345 6712 3123 4123 456

[connected short line],[connected short line], [connected short line], ...
123,12,12345, ...
->
123,1 2,123 45,12 34,12 3,123, ....

When you put notes instead of numbers:

CDE,C D,CDE FG,CD EF,CD E,CDE, ... (you don't actually do this but it sounds kinda good actually....)

How to distinguish connected short lines inside a melody? Those short lines makes up a melody and when a CHORD change, those short lines change.

It means, you don't FIT a melody inside a 4/4 time you make melody with FREEDOM and PLAY it inside that time measure.


Those 123,12,12345 kind of pattern's tend to change when genre and style and era changes. Just like melodies and chords.

Also, in real music each note's length differs. Not everything is 8th it could be 16th, 4th etc. And, there also could be a rest between each note.
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PS. For newb composers: To be able to do all this, you need to select a TONE of a song. Tone is like a white noise. But it stays in your mind and represents the whole song. Tone is more of a ground than building blocks and if you choose right ground you will be able to build a building. Without tone there is no music. As song progress, tone also expands. There will be small subset of frequencies in your tone but as song progresses tone will have more sub-frequencies. Tone has speeds, tone has frequencies, tone IS music by itself. There is tone in solo druming, there is tone in jazz, there is tone in electronic music.
Last edited by pensaku on Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:35 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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Hi Pensaku
Sorry, i'm a bit confused by the aim of your thread here - is it simply a description of one way to make a melody in 4/4, or are you asking a question about music theory?
JumpingJackFlash has done a brilliant series of posts here in KVR music theory section explaining about music theory if that helps?

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Doug1978 wrote:Hi Pensaku
Sorry, i'm a bit confused by the aim of your thread here - is it simply a description of one way to make a melody in 4/4, or are you asking a question about music theory?
JumpingJackFlash has done a brilliant series of posts here in KVR music theory section explaining about music theory if that helps?
It is just a simple description of one way to make a melody.
I just wanted to point out simple misunderstanding in composing for hobby starters.
You don't want to learn in depth theory if you are doing it to just pass times...

I'll check out his theory too. Thanks.

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Cool.
Although i'm okay at piano and drums, the threads by JJF filled in a lot of theoretical holes for me.
Peace
:)

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Doug1978 wrote:Cool.
Although i'm okay at piano and drums, the threads by JJF filled in a lot of theoretical holes for me.
Peace
:)
Yeah, I started composing 1 year ago and made quite a lot even though it's 30seconds or 2munutes and it always was hard to make a song longer and I didn't know why but when I found out the thing about my post it was breeze of a wind. I could make a 10 minute songs even though it was still hard. lol so.... I wanted to share :oops:

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edited to describe most important thing in newb composing. TONE!

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pensaku wrote:PS. For newb composers: To be able to do all this, you need to select a TONE of a song. Tone is like a white noise. But it stays in your mind and represents the whole song. Tone is more of a ground than building blocks and if you choose right ground you will be able to build a building. Without tone there is no music. As song progress, tone also expands. There will be small subset of frequencies in your tone but as song progresses tone will have more sub-frequencies. Tone has speeds, tone has frequencies, tone IS music by itself. There is tone in solo druming, there is tone in jazz, there is tone in electronic music.
We may have a language problem here, because I have no idea what this paragraph is about. "Tone" usually means 1/ a scale step 2/ the quality of the sound. (Both bad descriptions, but I hope you get what I'm referring to. 1/ is synonym for "note", 2/ is "that guy has a nice tone on his guitar")

What do you mean by "tone expands"?

Victor.

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How is tone like white noise? By definition white noise is all tones is it not?

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VicDiesel wrote:
pensaku wrote:PS. For newb composers: To be able to do all this, you need to select a TONE of a song. Tone is like a white noise. But it stays in your mind and represents the whole song. Tone is more of a ground than building blocks and if you choose right ground you will be able to build a building. Without tone there is no music. As song progress, tone also expands. There will be small subset of frequencies in your tone but as song progresses tone will have more sub-frequencies. Tone has speeds, tone has frequencies, tone IS music by itself. There is tone in solo druming, there is tone in jazz, there is tone in electronic music.
We may have a language problem here, because I have no idea what this paragraph is about. "Tone" usually means 1/ a scale step 2/ the quality of the sound. (Both bad descriptions, but I hope you get what I'm referring to. 1/ is synonym for "note", 2/ is "that guy has a nice tone on his guitar")

What do you mean by "tone expands"?

Victor.
I used tone for second meaning but in more broad sense.
Guitar has a nice tone. But that's not a random thing or just a random result. Tone has very CERTAIN characters and it changes, and can be controlled.

Tone is made by controlling subhamornies, instrument playing techniques, last but not least by tuning an instrument. And tone also seems like it's changing when a different song is played.

So have an abstract tone in mind. Have an abstract subhamonic feature, have an abstract instrumental techniques, have an abstract song inside your mind, but since it's a tone, it doesn't have to be concrete, it's an abstract thing.

So yeah, it's not a tone, but it looks like a tone inside your mind since it is indeed a tone.

Tone expands means it changes. It also shrinks XD



If you don't want to have an abstract plan or a tone or a song inside your mind, you can't possibly make a song. Many newb composers always fantasize about this tone or ratgher a sone inside your mind but it's actually a very concrete thing. It's like a plan...


But if you just say PLAN or SONG INSIDE YOUR MIND newbs like me always get confused and say what are they talking about. But I thought since tone is very widely known thing, it will not confuse! But it did.

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