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IncarnateX wrote:
In this case, it might even be RB's own idea, but the encouragement of her parents will be the fact the solidifies it. They could have spoken against it, not at least with the potential failure in mind.
Well, my own personal interpretation of the situation with ARK is that there is an element of some girls and/or parents having stars in their eyes, but the company itself, I honestly think, is more akin to a music/video version of Glamour Shots.

I think this puts it into a category where it's hard to know how serious some of the girls or their parents are about it, vs. how much it's mostly done for fun. After the RB meme, I think a lot of them might reconsider this particular approach to fun, though.

I think if you look at ARK like Glamour Shots, that goes a long way in explaining why Friday is such a total throwaway song. I'm mean, let's be serious, it sounds like he wrote it on his iPhone in the taxi on the way to work one morning. This is not anything approaching serious artist development as a real label or manager would attempt to do. It's more like a one-off service. Supposedly the parents even get the rights to the song and video, which makes it very much like a service and not at all like a label.

Any parents who would get heavily involved in this process and start forking over thousands of dollars would realize that at some point, and know that if they wanted stardom for their daughter, they would essentially be on their own in achieving it. ARK is just going to put together a little superficial package for them to take with them and try to do whatever they can with.
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Here's another of their creations:



Not quite Friday....but maybe we could call it Thursday. Thursday night, even. :lol:

Similar formula, though obviously more of a high school demographic on this one. I take it that's Mr. Wilson making another bizarre and incongruous appearance in the last quarter of the song. One almost gets the impression that he is more concerned with his own exposure/development as a would-be rap star than the potential careers of any of these girls.
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This whole whack-a-mole phenomenon is rather interesting...is ARK trying to be the anti-hero of the record industry here?

Reverse marketing might be the new thing here...what would be the most unpopular genre?
Barry
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Bad news people, looks like the music call I saw online isn't for Rebecca, since the manager is someone different. :(

Then again maybe her manager is just going through a third party. :D :shock:
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OK, but if we had the shot, would you guys go through with it?
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lockon stratos wrote:OK, but if we had the shot, would you guys go through with it?
It would be an interesting experiment, that is for sure..
Barry
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A.M. Gold wrote:Any parents who would get heavily involved in this process and start forking over thousands of dollars would realize that at some point, and know that if they wanted stardom for their daughter, they would essentially be on their own in achieving it.
Do not know. In this interview



it is confirmed that the parents paid for the whole deal so they have their share and responsibility of all the failure and bad attention. RB also states that she cried over some of the haters comments that went so far as wishing her dead. Who would do such a thing to their daughter if they were not fooled to either by ARK or themselves? Now listen to her, she is just a little girl who obviously had no idea of what she was walking into and even at the state of the interview, she is still dreaming on and want to make a duet with Justin B. It is a case of the cultural perversions that arises from the widespread talent programs that suggest everyone can be a famous artist if they just are discovered and which fed both children and their parents with illusive star-dreams (and as if this is the greatest goal to achieve in life).

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Well, whatever ARK told them, it wasn't their responsibility to warn about haters on YouTube. I seriously doubt anyone either at ARK or in RB's family ever imagined anything remotely similar to what has happened with the 85 million views and the hundreds of thousands of negative comments, etc.

You may be right that ARK hyped the fame that could come from the song and video, so I'm not denying that they sweet talk their clients, but I'm not convinced that they told a lot of big lies either. I haven't heard either of RB's parents claim that ARK ripped them off, except that now ownership of the copyright for the RB video is in dispute, but I think that has happened only because of the huge attention it is getting. I doubt ARK would be trying to reverse that copyright agreement if the viral explosion hadn't happened.
"You don’t expect much beyond a gaping, misspelled void when you stare into the cold dark place that is Internet comments."

---Salon on internet trolls attacking Cleveland kidnapping victim Amanda Berry

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Then again, whose dreams are they really addressing? It may not even be her's...

There have been many cases of children being put into the hype machine that has become our collective culture here. Is this really fair for our kids to be put into these things? :? Especially when we see what happened on Youtube? :?
Barry
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A.M. Gold wrote:Ok, wait a minute...like my favorite mid-'70's reporter/monster hunter Carl Kolchak (aka TV's The Night Stalker :)), I think I'm on the trail of something truly otherworldly and weird here.

I've just read an article about ARK Music Factory, and then glanced at their website.

I'm beginning to get a pretty clear picture of what happened here. Basically, ARK is a hobby-star manufacturing outfit for the children of fairly wealthy parents (the only ones who are likely to be able to afford their fees).

First, they put out casting calls for girls aged 13-17 in which they hype the potential they have to make these girls into "stars".

Basically, the parents pay and the girls get a total "star makeover", which includes some styling, a song written for them, a decent quality recording produced and mastered, and some kind of basic (but competently shot and edited) video made, then posted to YouTube. This is like Fantasy Island for teenage girls who want to play singing star.

The upshot is that we get the Rebecca Black phenomenon as a direct result. These guys haven't been around for very long at all so I would hazard a guess that the RB situation is the first of its kind to emerge from their "factory".

A girl who very likely would never have been picked up by any serious label is given a brief "star treatment" by a pseudo-label, paid for in full by her parents, and then YouTube takes over and does the rest.

The rest being...the song, video, and singer are all mercilessly ravaged and torn to pieces by hundreds of thousands of eager sharks with YouTube accounts. :(
once again... posted that link on the first page. :roll: :P :hihi:

didn't really bother to explain it to that depth because this kind of thing happens ALL the time out here in Cali.:shrug:
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GaryG wrote:
A.M. Gold wrote:I think it's possible a lot of songwriters would turn tail and run quickly away from Rebecca
Though wouldn't a lot jump at the chance of having a track on her album too? I can imagine a fair few sales thanks to all this exposure, royalties? Or do all commercial songwriters have strict principals regarding the artistic integrity of those they work with? ;)
Are you kidding? Every song I have written since the middle of last month has been written for Rebecca Black. If she doesn't use my one of my songs, I'll just DIE!!!! :cry: :cry:
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A.M. Gold wrote:Well, whatever ARK told them, it wasn't their responsibility to warn about haters on YouTube.
Haters on Youtube are quite common and well known, so why not? If it can happen to Justin B as well as others, why shouldn't it be taken into consideration? There is always a risk when you expose yourself on youtube and you need no degree in communication science to realise that.

In the interview posted RB says: "When I saw all these nasty comments, I did cry..I felt like this was all my fault and I shouldn't have done this and this is all because of me"

Classic case of infantile internalization when parents fail to understand and explain their share and responsibility of a problem. It is for instance known from cases of divorce where the child think "father has left home all because of me".

But I agree that the proportions of haters could not be foreseen but hopefully it will make parents think twice about these things in the future.

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debra1rlo wrote:
GaryG wrote:
A.M. Gold wrote:I think it's possible a lot of songwriters would turn tail and run quickly away from Rebecca
Though wouldn't a lot jump at the chance of having a track on her album too? I can imagine a fair few sales thanks to all this exposure, royalties? Or do all commercial songwriters have strict principals regarding the artistic integrity of those they work with? ;)
Are you kidding? Every song I have written since the middle of last month has been written for Rebecca Black. If she doesn't use my one of my songs, I'll just DIE!!!! :cry: :cry:
Let me guess - you couldn't make up your mind which song to send to her? :hihi:

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robojam wrote:
debra1rlo wrote:
GaryG wrote:
A.M. Gold wrote:I think it's possible a lot of songwriters would turn tail and run quickly away from Rebecca
Though wouldn't a lot jump at the chance of having a track on her album too? I can imagine a fair few sales thanks to all this exposure, royalties? Or do all commercial songwriters have strict principals regarding the artistic integrity of those they work with? ;)
Are you kidding? Every song I have written since the middle of last month has been written for Rebecca Black. If she doesn't use my one of my songs, I'll just DIE!!!! :cry: :cry:
Let me guess - you couldn't make up your mind which song to send to her? :hihi:
Well, I had written so many that I ran out of places to store the discs and lyric sheets and I had to put some in the car. and there were so many there that i was kickin' in the front seat to make room and there were more sittin' in the backseat. it was like one of those A&E Hoarders episodes. :cry: :cry:
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