Calling all Ableton Live & Linux users!

[robogone]

SHOUT, SHOUT, SHOUT, SHOUT, SHOUT, SHOUT

Shhh. Quieter please.

[UltraJv]

I'VE SPENT 10 TIMES MORE HOURS ON FORUMS TRYING TO FIND THE CAUSE OF MY BUGS AND ERRORS THAN I HAVE PRODUCING IN MY STUDIO.

THIS IS AN ALL TIME STALL IN MY CREATIVE LIFE.. I PRODUCED MORE MUSIC ON MY OLD 4 TRACK CASSETTE RECORDER IN THE EARLY 90'S THAN I HAVE ON MODERN TECHNOLOGY WHICH COST THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE MONEY.

Your search is over - the cause of your problems is you and whatever it is you do to break Windows. The rest of us dont have these issues. PS - you do know that Ableton 8 is a bugfest right? That has nothing to do with Windows.

[pc999]

A hundred of views, one reply and almost no votes

We need to let Wine developers know that we need professional audio applications working under Wine, seriously. Please vote.

No, we need DAW developers know that we need professional audio applications working under Linux.


Along side with those developers all of the others need to know that Linux is a serious alternative and we want to use it.

Linux today is a serious alternative for the desktop, both in stability and usability, plus it runs much better and much prettier.

There is tools like Qt or Juce that would let them develop for all the platforms at the same time, they should use them.

[rube2112]

With the current development version of Wine (1.1.6) Live is *almost* usable under Linux, exept that for some reason you can't freeze, record audio and render your songs. Live just can't create an audio file under Wine, dunno why. The get this bug fixed, please test Live and vote this bug in WineHQ Bugzilla: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15695

Thank you.

Good Lord, This horse manure of "I must not use windows" is ridiculous. Some of you are so determined to not use windows and for what reason? Xp is very stable with ableton live and will run on almost any box you try to install it on. Bottom line, the windows coders are much better than the linux guys who do it for nothing. Its also ridiculous when I hear claims of how much more stable linux is than windows....its not. Linux will never be as easy to set up and will never be as easy to fix if something happens at a live show. Yeah I like linux too....but I'd like it alot better if it actually did something without a fight. I'm not gonna fight just because I don't like Bill Gates......that is insanity. Robb

[pc999]

Linux is a much better, easier and prettier OS than Windows, also way cheaper .

If is not meant to run Audio apps, maybe video too (that is trying to giving you for free what you need to pay hundreds or $)or windows apps will give you a much better experience than windows.

If if it was actually worst, Windows is a cost that many may not WANT or CANT pay.

But truth is that for simpler apps is a OS better in every single aspect.

But if you actually used it you would know what you are talking about.


Also Linux is what must servers use, and many credible institutions, that is probably because Linux coders as also very good, no?

[stanlea]

I switched to Linux 5 years ago for ALL except for music. No problem, really. Now I switched for music. There are bugs under Linux, bugs under Windows, bugs under Mac. But I'm tired to buy a new OS every 5 years, a new OS full of things I don't need, and getting slower and slower with time, loosing my drivers with every upgrade, and leaving my soundcards orphan (you know, it's too old, no drivers for Seven). These are my reasons. That's my choice, and I don't care about Bill Gates.

[LBN]

Bottom line, the windows coders are much better than the linux guys who do it for nothing.

There's no facepalm big enough for the stupidity of this statement. You do realize that most are one and the same?

Its also ridiculous when I hear claims of how much more stable linux is than windows....its not.

There's no facepalm big enough for the stupidity of this statement. You do realize that the owners of this website sell a flagship product based on Linux that is used live by thousands of professional musicians?

Yeah I like linux too....but I'd like it alot better if it actually did something without a fight.

There's no face-- Screw it. Just learn some competence.

[whyterabbyt]

With the current development version of Wine (1.1.6) Live is *almost* usable under Linux, exept that for some reason you can't freeze, record audio and render your songs. Live just can't create an audio file under Wine, dunno why. The get this bug fixed, please test Live and vote this bug in WineHQ Bugzilla: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15695

Thank you.

Good Lord, This horse manure of "I must not use windows" is ridiculous.

Not as ridiculous as re-resurrecting this thread a year after its 2-years-dead corpse got dragged up for a quick round of buggery.

[chk071]

Always funny how linux fanboys feel offended by the slightest "why not use windows" posts and at the same time try to emulate a software which was developped for another OS. You know, if linux would be a market worth developping payware for there would be linux versions of popular DAW's already. Saying that, i'm kind of a linux guy myself, not so narrow-minded though that i would not use Windows as well... i wouldn't use MacOS though.

Anyway, i wish you guys good luck getting Ableton to work with Wine, always nice to see how much effort people spend on getting things to work, to me stuff like that will always be a no-go though as the whole emulation thing costs valuable system performance and frankly i didn't make very good experiences with Wine... not to mention WineAsio and the VST problems...

[pc999]

Always funny how linux fanboys feel offended by the slightest "why not use windows" posts and at the same time try to emulate a software which was developped for another OS. You know, if linux would be a market worth developping payware for there would be linux versions of popular DAW's already. Saying that, i'm kind of a linux guy myself, not so narrow-minded though that i would not use Windows as well... i wouldn't use MacOS though.

Anyway, i wish you guys good luck getting Ableton to work with Wine, always nice to see how much effort people spend on getting things to work, to me stuff like that will always be a no-go though as the whole emulation thing costs valuable system performance and frankly i didn't make very good experiences with Wine... not to mention WineAsio and the VST problems...

I believe that most of use are using windows (I am), but many would switch to linux if our DAW/VSTs worked well.

But at this moment is a bit chicken and egg problem, developers dont develop because there isnt enough users, users dont use because there isnt enough development...

[4damind]

Old thread but there has not much changed since 2008 Also when Wine would be good enough to run Live, there is always missing support for hardware dongles, DSP cards etc. and I remember that also other plug-ins are not 100% usable with Wine.
In the past I started to arrange a song with Reaper and Wine but for mixing moved to Windows because of the missing plug-ins. But to be honest, this was more for testing and fun because I use Linux since middle of the 90's as the main system for development and are interested to try the audio thing.

But the user base is too small with < 1% to expect big changes. Big players have no interest besides using Linux as an embedded system in their hardware synth. We have 2 complete supported and working systems, so I would invest the time more with writing good songs and using Windows or MacOS for such stuff.

[chk071]

But at this moment is a bit chicken and egg problem, developers dont develop because there isnt enough users, users dont use because there isnt enough development...

Not to mention the several problems which occur due to the mass of different linux distributions all steering into different directions... which all kinda leads me to believing that it will never be a market for neither audio applications nor other professional tools. It's just a dead end unfortunately...

[pc999]

Let me just to advice you all, pick a old(er) PC and install a popular Linux in there, or a specialized multimedia-A/V distro, and let yourself be impressed.

Old thread but there has not much changed since 2008 Also when Wine would be good enough to run Live, there is always missing support for hardware dongles, DSP cards etc. and I remember that also other plug-ins are not 100% usable with Wine.

Actually a lot changed there is new apps, specialized multimedia distros, meta packages that turn your usual distro in a multimedia one...


And with the eminent release of Ardour 3 among others, that may very well chance (with VST support too). Sure you will always have more options AND a easier life if you stay with Windows/PC, but you will soon be fully able to do a quality album on Linux with some ease.



Also 1% of how many millions (billions?)? Probably there is some money to be done here, no?

I think that Linux numbers are also better 2-3%, but I am not sure, although given that it is better than windows for what 80% of people do with PC and runs great on older PC, among some very nice things like Meego, Gnome 3, very lightweight distros, Cube Desktop...

Not to mention the several problems which occur due to the mass of different linux distributions all steering into different directions... which all kinda leads me to believing that it will never be a market for neither audio applications nor other professional tools. It's just a dead end unfortunately...

Are you sure?

I mean, I never had problems with different distros not running the same software.

Also there is some pro/paid apps for Linux, the latest that I know of is Harrison Mixbus.

[4damind]

And with the eminent release of Ardour 3 among others, that may very well chance (with VST support too). Sure you will always have more options AND a easier life if you stay with Windows/PC, but you will soon be fully able to do a quality album on Linux with some ease.

Unfortunately the development of Ardour is very slow. This time you must build the sources yourself to get a look to Ardour3. It's Alpha state and nobody knows how long does it take to have released binaries ready for distribution.
This very long development cycles are one point that Linux never gets some more attention from musicians. Wine needs 6 years or so to get today _some_ applications running but its always far away to call it a feature complete API emulation.
May be in 1-2 years we have Ardour3 but in this time we have Cubase 7, Logic 10, Reaper X etc. The features of this DAWs are superior to Ardour3.

[stanlea]

FYI : Ardour 3 is alpha 4 and distributed without compilation needed, suitable for every distro.

In my view, if you want to use Linux, you have to stay away from wine as much as you can ; some windows apps may be useful, but you have to use the native ones. Also, don't try to use too much vst's with wrappers, you'll be deceived.

The first thing is to understand the jack audio system, then you can do a lot of things.

Basically you have :
- jack audio
- Ardour 3, Qtractor, Rosegarden, Musescore, Non-sequencer, Non-daw, Non-mixer
- Qsampler for sound libraries (handles GIG, SFZ, SF2)
- Some good synths : the Loomer line, Hexter, WhySynth, Phasex, Foo YC 20, Calf Organ, Minicomputer, Nekobee and many more
- Very good effects

And a few oddities that you can't have with windows (Din for instance)

It's 5% of what you have with windows, but it's enough for me.