Cheap, easy way to edit JX-8P without programmer?

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I picked up a JX-8P so I've finally got a real analog polysynth to play around with :)

It's quite easy to program from the panel, but a little tedious since every parameter requires two separate button pushes to select (unlike the Blofeld, where many parameters are only one button push away, and the ones that require more still only have you push the same button repeatedly, not two separate ones). I love Star Trek, but it's a shame it inspired synth design so much in the 80's :P

So I was wondering what you guys use to program yours (or similar synths like the Alpha Junos/JX3P/10P, MKS's etc.)? Obviously, the dedicated programmer is the ideal choice, but I doubt I'll come across one of those for cheap any time soon. MidiQuest have a VST editor for it, but it's very expensive and would probably cost more than the programmer. Of course, it supports a whole range of old and new hardware synths, but that's not really useful unless you have a room full of gear. It would have been nice if you could pay something like $30 - 50 for an editor for your particular instrument only. There's another editor for it, but it doesn't work together with a DAW since it hijacks the MIDI ports.

Apparently, you can't use MIDI CC's to edit the synth, since it only responds to Sysex (at least according to the forum post I found). Is there any way to make the Akai MPK send Sysex from the faders and knobs that the JX can understand? Is there some program that can sit "between" the MPK and the JX and translate the incoming CC's to something the JX can understand?

Some people seem to be using the BCR2000 to control their JX. Does its editor have this functionality or how do they do it? I could buy the BCR, they're pretty cheap now compared to Roland programmers anyway, and I could probably find other uses for it too. But my MPK has plenty of knobs and sliders, so if I can use that it would certainly be good enough.
Hardware: Akai MPK61, MFB-Synth II, Roland JX-8P, Virus TI Snow, KORG MS2000R, Roland SH-01
Favorite software: Sylenth1, Synth1, Messiah, ME80, OPX-Pro II, Zebra 2, Diva, Reason, Studio One V2 Pro

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I'd say a BCR 2000 is your best bet. I haven't looked by i assume there's profiles for the JX8P to download. If all else fails you need to do your own.

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The free Mackie C4 Commander can also control the JX8P but i haven't tried so i'm unaware of any cons with that approach.

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PC-JX8P requires exclusive access to the MIDI ports, which means you can't use the synth in your sequencer and from the editor at the same time.

The second one didn't work for me, the JX-8P doesn't respond to anything set via the VST editor.
jupiter8 wrote:I'd say a BCR 2000 is your best bet. I haven't looked by i assume there's profiles for the JX8P to download. If all else fails you need to do your own.
What does the BCR2000 do differently than the knobs and sliders on my Akai MPK, though? Do they send Sysex? I don't know anything about Sysex really, I've only used that once before, when updating the OS of my Blofeld.
Hardware: Akai MPK61, MFB-Synth II, Roland JX-8P, Virus TI Snow, KORG MS2000R, Roland SH-01
Favorite software: Sylenth1, Synth1, Messiah, ME80, OPX-Pro II, Zebra 2, Diva, Reason, Studio One V2 Pro

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JimmiG wrote:What does the BCR2000 do differently than the knobs and sliders on my Akai MPK, though? Do they send Sysex?
Yes.
JimmiG wrote:I don't know anything about Sysex really, I've only used that once before, when updating the OS of my Blofeld.
You're in for a wild ride. Welcome to the technology of the early 80ies. Embrace the hexadecimal base. Base 16 is where it's at.

There's probably profiles for the JX8P already so you needn't worry about those sillinesses.

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jupiter8 wrote:
JimmiG wrote:What does the BCR2000 do differently than the knobs and sliders on my Akai MPK, though? Do they send Sysex?
Yes.
And my Akai MPK doesn't, and there's no way to make it do it unless Akai adds that functionality in a firmware and/or Editor update?
jupiter8 wrote:
JimmiG wrote:I don't know anything about Sysex really, I've only used that once before, when updating the OS of my Blofeld.
You're in for a wild ride. Welcome to the technology of the early 80ies. Embrace the hexadecimal base. Base 16 is where it's at.

There's probably profiles for the JX8P already so you needn't worry about those sillinesses.
If you have the hexadecimal codes so you just copy and paste them, it's not so bad, just tedious. But as you say, someone else has probably done the hard work already.

I did get the JX-8V VST editor to work. When I plugged the JX into the MPK's Midi interface instead of the USB Midi interface I was using before, it worked fine. Apparently, you can assign regular MIDI controllers to the plugion, which will then forward those to the JX. I will give it a try, because then I don't have to get the BCR2000. This would save both money and space (doubt the BCR would fit on top of the JX like the programmer does).
Hardware: Akai MPK61, MFB-Synth II, Roland JX-8P, Virus TI Snow, KORG MS2000R, Roland SH-01
Favorite software: Sylenth1, Synth1, Messiah, ME80, OPX-Pro II, Zebra 2, Diva, Reason, Studio One V2 Pro

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Im bidding on a JX-8P, and I want to write a mac based AU/Standalone editor for it. Does anyone have the parameter mappings so that I can wire it all up?

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