KVR Audio

Kim Olesen · Post by **Kim Olesen** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:48 pm

EdgarRothermich wrote:Doesn't anybody question the BS of the original post here?

As long as someone doesn't reveal the leak, it could be made out of thin air ... no wait ... there are more details that just leaked:
1) Logic will cost $1.99 at the App store
2) It will be rewritten completely in 128bit
3) It will be 100% compatible with Notator files from the Atari platform.

stay tuned for more "Breaking Leaks"

Let's face it, everybody who has seen the new Logic doesn't talk about it and everybody else is just speculating about a product we don't know that exist in the first place.

A lot of of points would make sense taking everything in account around Apple's recent direction and the new FCP release. Other things are just guess work.

Did anybody get the multi-page questionnaire from Apple last year about Logic Pro. Those questions could tell you more about the possible direction of Logic than some "leaked nonsense"

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djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:55 pm

i'm willing to bet its not been re written!

it took best part of 30 years to write login 9 (from scratch)

Subz

jonahs · Post by **jonahs** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:21 am

You can't sell plugins in the Appstore at the moment. And Logic is already 64 bit?

If there's no upgrade path (and I believe it's a possibility Apple will pull a stunt like that) Logic X better be really, really good with some serious improvements or very, very cheap. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for Logic 11 though.

I dunno, my wish list for Logic x is they make the environment more friendly, reskin instruments and make them more Apple-like in general (ultrabeat could really work better) and a biggie is improved audiofile editing. Soundtrack Pro is buggy as hell and needs to die. Oh, and while I like the crazy folder system Logic has now I'd like more traditional folders as well.

tonkatodd · Post by **tonkatodd** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:43 am

I hope they keep the environment and develop on it some more as its really the only reason I still use logic. I hope there will be multicore support for AU instruments and I hope that record enabling doesn't just use one core also. Midi out for AU is a biggie also.

b-pole · Post by **b-pole** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:04 am

Midi out for AU is a biggie also.

that would be one of my favourites, too.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:07 am

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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:45 am

Logic X.. that means Babya Logic X will follow suit!

I wonder if they will finally implement the note to music output feature people have been speculating about?

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:53 pm

djsubject wrote:i'm willing to bet its not been re written!

it took best part of 30 years to write login 9 (from scratch)

Subz

It was supposed to have been rewritten for the previous version. That was one of the main reasons for it not to carry almost any new features. I wander how many times they have to write it again. Besides, making it an App Stire application makes it even less appealing to pro customers. The tech support was already a problem, and this way it look like Apple simply don't care who uses it as long as they don't come to bother them.
Less and less pro, more and more consumer product. Simply a way to sell more computers, I guess. I bet they will put on the system requirements the most modern machines, and the last OS version only.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:01 pm

fmr wrote:
djsubject wrote:i'm willing to bet its not been re written!

it took best part of 30 years to write login 9 (from scratch)

Subz
It was supposed to have been rewritten for the previous version. That was one of the main reasons for it not to carry almost any new features. I wander how many times they have to write it again. Besides, making it an App Stire application makes it even less appealing to pro customers. The tech support was already a problem, and this way it look like Apple simply don't care who uses it as long as they don't come to bother them.
Less and less pro, more and more consumer product. Simply a way to sell more computers, I guess. I bet they will put on the system requirements the most modern machines, and the last OS version only.

Completely wrong statements: check
A decent amount of ungrounded cliches: check

It's finally turning more into a decent host thread!

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:08 pm

spaceman wrote:
fmr wrote:
djsubject wrote:i'm willing to bet its not been re written!

it took best part of 30 years to write login 9 (from scratch)

Subz
It was supposed to have been rewritten for the previous version. That was one of the main reasons for it not to carry almost any new features. I wander how many times they have to write it again. Besides, making it an App Stire application makes it even less appealing to pro customers. The tech support was already a problem, and this way it look like Apple simply don't care who uses it as long as they don't come to bother them.
Less and less pro, more and more consumer product. Simply a way to sell more computers, I guess. I bet they will put on the system requirements the most modern machines, and the last OS version only.
Completely wrong statements: check
A decent amount of ungrounded cliches: check

It's finally turning more into a decent host thread!

What exactly are "wrong statements" and what exactly are "ungrounded cliches" in my post?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:15 pm

fmr wrote:
spaceman wrote:
fmr wrote:
djsubject wrote:i'm willing to bet its not been re written!

it took best part of 30 years to write login 9 (from scratch)

Subz
It was supposed to have been rewritten for the previous version. That was one of the main reasons for it not to carry almost any new features. I wander how many times they have to write it again. Besides, making it an App Stire application makes it even less appealing to pro customers. The tech support was already a problem, and this way it look like Apple simply don't care who uses it as long as they don't come to bother them.
Less and less pro, more and more consumer product. Simply a way to sell more computers, I guess. I bet they will put on the system requirements the most modern machines, and the last OS version only.
Completely wrong statements: check
A decent amount of ungrounded cliches: check

It's finally turning more into a decent host thread!
What exactly are "wrong statements" and what exactly are "ungrounded cliches" in my post?

v9 being almost completely derived from new features

Apple creating Pro applications just to sell hardware; Products becoming less pro more consumer (that's what they said about FCP as well, see what happened there)

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:39 pm

spaceman wrote:
fmr wrote:
spaceman wrote:
fmr wrote:
djsubject wrote:i'm willing to bet its not been re written!

it took best part of 30 years to write login 9 (from scratch)

Subz
It was supposed to have been rewritten for the previous version. That was one of the main reasons for it not to carry almost any new features. I wander how many times they have to write it again. Besides, making it an App Stire application makes it even less appealing to pro customers. The tech support was already a problem, and this way it look like Apple simply don't care who uses it as long as they don't come to bother them.
Less and less pro, more and more consumer product. Simply a way to sell more computers, I guess. I bet they will put on the system requirements the most modern machines, and the last OS version only.
Completely wrong statements: check
A decent amount of ungrounded cliches: check

It's finally turning more into a decent host thread!
What exactly are "wrong statements" and what exactly are "ungrounded cliches" in my post?
v9 being almost completely derived from new features

Apple creating Pro applications just to sell hardware; Products becoming less pro more consumer (that's what they said about FCP as well, see what happened there)

Is that so? Well, I guess you are entitled to an opinion, and I think we agree on disagree, in what concerns Logic 9. Regarding my other statement, Apple strategy is as old as the market. It's called "dumping", and is a strategy followed by those who want to reach a monopoly. They are lowering the prices of the software in order to kill the competition, and get there (i think you will agree with me when I say that there's no way Apple can pay the costs of Logic development by selling licenses at 299,00). In the meanwhile, they pay their costs by selling hardware.
There will be no resellers, therefore, no product specialists (actually, these are all gone by now), who could help customers with their difficulties. Only help will come from other users, through forums and things like that. Hardly a basis for some serious professional approach, me thinks.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:56 pm

fmr wrote:
spaceman wrote:
fmr wrote: What exactly are "wrong statements" and what exactly are "ungrounded cliches" in my post?
v9 being almost completely derived from new features

Apple creating Pro applications just to sell hardware; Products becoming less pro more consumer (that's what they said about FCP as well, see what happened there)
Is that so? Well, I guess you are entitled to an opinion, and I think we agree on disagree, in what concerns Logic 9. Regarding my other statement, Apple strategy is as old as the market. It's called "dumping", and is a strategy followed by those who want to reach a monopoly. They are lowering the prices of the software in order to kill the competition, and get there (i think you will agree with me when I say that there's no way Apple can pay the costs of Logic development by selling licenses at 299,00). In the meanwhile, they pay their costs by selling hardware.
There will be no resellers, therefore, no product specialists (actually, these are all gone by now), who could help customers with their difficulties. Only help will come from other users, through forums and things like that. Hardly a basis for some serious professional approach, me thinks.

What market has Apple 'killed' off then by releasing Logic on the cheaper side? (I say cheaper side, because it's not that cheap and all that Apple Store malarkey is still just stupid guessing) I see a Cubase that is still as popular as ever, a what seems to be ever increasing popularity of Live, fast growing popularity of smaller devs like Cockos with Reaper, etc. And where are the numbers showing hardware sales conversions from (Pro) software sales? I've never seen any myself and all the idiots in the coffee shops with their Macbook probably never heard of Logic. But I don't have any numbers on that either.

qube123 · Post by **qube123** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:07 pm

If it's bundled in the App' Store then there will be little to distinguish it from GB.

ProApps aren't meant to be generic-consumer oriented, they're expensive, require power and loads of capacity, the idea of buying Logic and downloading it and having an in-App' store to buy plugins just dumbs it all down (ignoring the massive upheaval of trying to convert the existing eco-system to that model), with GB that's fine it's aimed at the casual musician but it's just not where someone who takes it a bit more seriously would want to go.

The whole concept of an 'app' pisses me off as there's no distinction between a little game and something more serious and anything remotely interesting gets lost in the fog, trying to find something from the store is beyond tedious.

Will see what happens before I get upset but I get the impression there's a definite ambition to do away with optical media and have everything dumbed down to 'App' status.

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:19 pm

If having a CD/DVD gives you a sense of ownership then so be it. 99.9% of my licenses say that I don't own anything but the right to use the program. So as far as I'm concerned they can keep the physical media. I have way too many of those damn boxes already. Now I am a bit old fashioned when it comes to having a printed manual but that has been going the way of the dodo for some time now so I'm sure I'll get over that too.

And personally I never associate spending more with getting more. I associate getting more with getting more. If downloads are the delivery system of the future, so be it. Does it really make it more difficult? If you give it some thought, resisting this change is futile. And when I go to a music store to buy an instrument it doesn't bother me one bit that the $3000 bass is on a peg near the $400 bass. Why should it? Does being near a lesser dollar instrument bring down the value of that bass?

Whether you want to admit it or not, I think, some of these comments above can be chalked up to humans resisting change.

Logic X Out This Summer!