Amplitube next models? What will they be?

[metalifuxx]

@buffer:

I believe it's been stated but I run 44.1/128 and I only run that high because I really can't feel that much latency My machine is capable of running with the hi res on @64 but it starts to chew a little more on the cpu so I just run tried and true with 128.

IK's Stealth Pedal, 48khz/24bit/96 samples, with Live set to 32 (lowest plugin buffer) on an older (5 years now) 3ghz stock cheap Dell duocore, with Win XP and 4gig ram, 32bit. Can run a full instance (hi res) loaded with 5 pedals, 1 or 2 amps/cab and some rack effects plus a few other vsts with no hikcups, crashes or crackles. I usually can run another full instance like that on a another track too. I usually end up freezing tracks and sometimes bouncing down the wavs to make progress in a track and to avoid the slight latency comb filtering/phase effect. I drool over what a modern high power multi core/gig ram 64bit machine could do, but the I am getting my $$$ worth from the $300 "business solution" bare bones Dell I bought years ago. Been using amp sims for years now, so I rarely notice the latency anymore. If I feel there was an issue with timing I might zoom closeup on the waveform and nudge it ever so slightly.

[Hink]

again neither are what I am talking about, I'm not talking about noticing latency on it's own.

Scenario 1: I always split my tracks, one is a dry track that I record for re-amping the other will go to my amp, POD, sansamp.... If I monitor the clean signal through a sim* with the mic'd amp there IS latency that causes a phase/comb filter effect.

Scenario 2: I have a track laid down with a riff, I want to layer it by playing the same thing again and monitoring the first one to keep them tight. If I run through a sim to record the second track (or more accurately 'play' because I'm more about setting up fun things to play then to finish things and actually hit record) there IS latency that causes a phase/comb filter effect.

Both situations detract from my pleasure, the phase sound is like my ears are blocking up. I have being saying this since the tone port came out and saying the same thing, thus sims are often only useful to me for re-amping (are also fun for jamming or just laying down single tracks). Of course these phase issues will only be apparent while I'm playing but they are there and I dont like it.


*not going to single out AT on this

BTW I could never get use to guitar synths as they are now either

[hibidy]

Er UMmmm, speaking of the "next model" when the (bleeeeeep) are the jet city models coming

[Brian @ IK Multimedia]

You will need an internet connection for CS.

Hope this www connection doesn't have to be on the DAW.
Can you do this from another computer ?
Cheers,
susiwong

Unfortunately, it must be done from the same computer for the time being.
But once you purchase your gear, you do not need to maintain the connection.

Any idea on how much time the time being is gonna last?

At this point, indefinitely. The last word is there are no plan to change the current Custom Shop system.

[Mudcat007]

You will need an internet connection for CS.

Hope this www connection doesn't have to be on the DAW.
Can you do this from another computer ?
Cheers,
susiwong

Unfortunately, it must be done from the same computer for the time being.
But once you purchase your gear, you do not need to maintain the connection.

Any idea on how much time the time being is gonna last?

At this point, indefinitely. The last word is there are no plan to change the current Custom Shop system.

I can't help but think this is not a good idea.

[surferman]

You will need an internet connection for CS.

Hope this www connection doesn't have to be on the DAW.
Can you do this from another computer ?
Cheers,
susiwong

Unfortunately, it must be done from the same computer for the time being.
But once you purchase your gear, you do not need to maintain the connection.

Any idea on how much time the time being is gonna last?

At this point, indefinitely. The last word is there are no plan to change the current Custom Shop system.

You've said before that Amplitube 3 is still for sale in the IK store. Will there be an Amplitube 3.5 or 4.0 package that includes the models from the custom shop that won't require the Custom shop connection?

[zerocrossing]

Amplitube adds no additional latency to your DAWs buffer. Latency is part of how a DAW works with audio and it is inescapable. Combining a the dry output of a DAW track with the live output will always give you phase distortion, though with the added harmonic info and sustain of a distorted guitar track it'll become more noticeable. The same will happen if you were to take a live track and combine it with the output of your POD or other amp modeler.

A good way around this is to abandon computers all together, which I highly recommend for people who enjoy listening to direct and effected sounds at the same time.

[cliftone]

Well here's strange, on my Vista computer I have to keep Gear Box open while running any of my other amp sims including AT3 or I will have pops and such. As long as I have Gear Box open no noise no pops, so I am a very big Gear Box fan. I really do like it even more than Pod Farm, something about the way it looks. Also I have to give a big plug for the new Soldano custom shop amp, I have to say it is fast becoming my favorite amp, even over the 59 Bassman. It reminds me of some Marshall Valvestates that I have owned, it breaks up slightly from cleanish to a little distortion, and with the pedal the distortion can be controlled even more, pedal from the stomp IO. This custom shop thing is great.

[ObiWonder]

Well here's strange, on my Vista computer I have to keep Gear Box open while running any of my other amp sims including AT3 or I will have pops and such. As long as I have Gear Box open no noise no pops, so I am a very big Gear Box fan. I really do like it even more than Pod Farm, something about the way it looks. Also I have to give a big plug for the new Soldano custom shop amp, I have to say it is fast becoming my favorite amp, even over the 59 Bassman. It reminds me of some Marshall Valvestates that I have owned, it breaks up slightly from cleanish to a little distortion, and with the pedal the distortion can be controlled even more, pedal from the stomp IO. This custom shop thing is great.

Thanks! The Soldano is quickly becoming a fan favorite!

[zerocrossing]

Well here's strange, on my Vista computer I have to keep Gear Box open while running any of my other amp sims including AT3 or I will have pops and such.

Well that totally sounds wrong... even counter to what should be. What audio interface are you using?

I stopped using Pod Farm because something weird started to happen where I'd create a patch, it would work fine, then I'd close the project and open it up again the plug would be maxing out my CPUs. I'd have to delete the gear in the patch and put it back and it would work fine again. Finally I just gave up with it because by that time I was using Amplitube 99% of the time anyway.

[ObiWonder]

Well here's strange, on my Vista computer I have to keep Gear Box open while running any of my other amp sims including AT3 or I will have pops and such. As long as I have Gear Box open no noise no pops, so I am a very big Gear Box fan. I really do like it even more than Pod Farm, something about the way it looks. Also I have to give a big plug for the new Soldano custom shop amp, I have to say it is fast becoming my favorite amp, even over the 59 Bassman. It reminds me of some Marshall Valvestates that I have owned, it breaks up slightly from cleanish to a little distortion, and with the pedal the distortion can be controlled even more, pedal from the stomp IO. This custom shop thing is great.

Have you tried changing the quality mode?

[P.T.]

again neither are what I am talking about, I'm not talking about noticing latency on it's own.

Scenario 1: I always split my tracks, one is a dry track that I record for re-amping the other will go to my amp, POD, sansamp.... If I monitor the clean signal through a sim* with the mic'd amp there IS latency that causes a phase/comb filter effect.

Scenario 2: I have a track laid down with a riff, I want to layer it by playing the same thing again and monitoring the first one to keep them tight. If I run through a sim to record the second track (or more accurately 'play' because I'm more about setting up fun things to play then to finish things and actually hit record) there IS latency that causes a phase/comb filter effect.

Both situations detract from my pleasure, the phase sound is like my ears are blocking up. I have being saying this since the tone port came out and saying the same thing, thus sims are often only useful to me for re-amping (are also fun for jamming or just laying down single tracks). Of course these phase issues will only be apparent while I'm playing but they are there and I dont like it.


*not going to single out AT on this

BTW I could never get use to guitar synths as they are now either

I have run an amp sim through a cab sim that has 2 slots for cab impulses and used 2 different cab impulses. Each sounded OK by themselves, but horrible together. It sounded like phasing and comb filtering.
I don't think these things always play well together.

I have also had problems using 2 sax samples that sounded different and used them in unison and they phased when played together.

[metalifuxx]

T-Rex Octavius
http://proguitarshop.com/store/effects- ... ius-p-2217

Sounds like one of the best octave pedals I have heard in recent years. Very good tracking, with hardly any artifacts, and can do low and also HI octaves. Simple controls too.

Please say you will model this, if IK is doing any more T-Rex pedals.

There was a thread a few months back about wanting a good Boss OC-2 emulation. I think the T-Rex pedal has that beat.

[hibidy]

Haven't seen it in the photos.....crap I thought for jussst a moment it WAS a new one.

[Hink]

again neither are what I am talking about, I'm not talking about noticing latency on it's own.

Scenario 1: I always split my tracks, one is a dry track that I record for re-amping the other will go to my amp, POD, sansamp.... If I monitor the clean signal through a sim* with the mic'd amp there IS latency that causes a phase/comb filter effect.

Scenario 2: I have a track laid down with a riff, I want to layer it by playing the same thing again and monitoring the first one to keep them tight. If I run through a sim to record the second track (or more accurately 'play' because I'm more about setting up fun things to play then to finish things and actually hit record) there IS latency that causes a phase/comb filter effect.

Both situations detract from my pleasure, the phase sound is like my ears are blocking up. I have being saying this since the tone port came out and saying the same thing, thus sims are often only useful to me for re-amping (are also fun for jamming or just laying down single tracks). Of course these phase issues will only be apparent while I'm playing but they are there and I dont like it.


*not going to single out AT on this

BTW I could never get use to guitar synths as they are now either

I have run an amp sim through a cab sim that has 2 slots for cab impulses and used 2 different cab impulses. Each sounded OK by themselves, but horrible together. It sounded like phasing and comb filtering.
I don't think these things always play well together.

I have also had problems using 2 sax samples that sounded different and used them in unison and they phased when played together.

Well impulses are notorious for latency (think the first sir) so that makes sense, you get the latency between the two impulses (if that makes sense). From that description it sounds like they must be in series.

If I layer using one of my amps or one of my PODs and layer to any track in my host whether it be a track run through a sim or another track recorded through hardware it's fine. If I try tracking with the sim (insert sim here) I of course have the latency and if I have a lot of vsti's and fx I have to increase my buffer it gets worse. Mixing the output of my DAW with the input at my card which is of course direct monitor is fine, no phase/comb filter at all.

Once tracks are recorded and I am working completely in the box of course all is well. But I suspect you already know that as it's kinda recording '101'

FWIW I run a second card (an emu 1820) that I use for more inputs and for monitoring with it's fx while recording dry and/or with fx. The Presonus Firestudio 26/26 is the master and the card assigned as my card in my host (Samp) and is the master, the 1820 though in my PC is connected to the Presonus via adat and the 1820 syncs to the Presonus. Because I can record a dry track and the same track with the fx (one direct through the Presonus and the other sent to the emu and back to the Presonus) and zoom way in on the recorded tracks the latency of running to and from the emu is effectively non existent. I once had some screenshots of that and I'll see if I can find them.

So the bottom line is I can do what I want but I have to track through an amp or POD (I use the PODs as reference amps with direct monitor for this very reason). I can in fact record up to 16 tracks at once as I have 16 physical ins (18 if you count spdif) so I always record a dry track (from a radial aby box) that is my re-amping track so I can layer like that without issue.

I would like one day to see performance to the point where I could track through a sim without the phase so I can make the best use of the sim while I can adapt my playing to the tone (not re-amping). This can be done effectively if I'm just using one sim and few tracks but as the parts I'm doing are usually the final tracks I record or more often are the parts I am playing just for fun when the whole song is done it's impossible.

sorry for the long post