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DaveGamble · Post by **DaveGamble** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:16 pm

4damind wrote:I think I remove all of my 100 compressors and buy "Compassion" It fills the gap between all this vintage emulation stuff from others and a excellent dynamic and sound manipulation tool

Btw. VST3 works perfectly.

Awesome!

A suggestion would be a gain knob or a slider for the sidechain level. I've seen this with Pro-C from Fabfilter and found it very usable because it gives a better control. This could be placed at the bottom of the sidechain button.

How is that different to the threshold?

Also, do note the Int-Ext S/C mix slider

Great evil lies in store with that one

Dave.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:19 pm

bduffy wrote:Bloody hell. This thing is amazing. It's almost...too punchy? Too powerful? Wow. Very impressive. I shouldn't have tried...

It can get a bit "clicky" but there are so many options of how to tweak the attack shape to tame it. A tiny amount of look-a-head can make it really nice as well.

You can download 6 of my "mastering" presets for Compassion HERE (.fxp format) or HERE (.cmb compassion's own bank format, use "Save Target as..").

I really like the "Impact" and "Phat Modern Master" presets.

Compassion is such a complex beast that it will take months of usage to learn it properly. Many of the parameters are rather subtle at first but there are definitely a lot of possibilities for some radical sound sculpting.

Cheers!
bManic

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:23 pm

bmanic wrote:
bduffy wrote:Bloody hell. This thing is amazing. It's almost...too punchy? Too powerful? Wow. Very impressive. I shouldn't have tried...
It can get a bit "clicky" but there are so many options of how to tweak the attack shape to tame it. A tiny amount of look-a-head can make it really nice as well.

You can download 6 of my "mastering" presets for Compassion HERE (EDIT: damn, forgot they are in cubase .fxp format. Give me a second and I'll create a proper Compassion bank thing).

I really like the "Impact" and "Phat Modern Master" presets.

Compassion is such a complex beast that it will take months of usage to learn it properly. Many of the parameters are rather subtle at first but there are definitely a lot of possibilities for some radical sound sculpting.

Cheers!
bManic

So, how does this rate in your list of compressors now? Your opinion is always valued in this area.

Brent

DaveGamble · Post by **DaveGamble** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:26 pm

*waits with bated breath*

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:27 pm

DaveGamble wrote:Also, do note the Int-Ext S/C mix slider Great evil lies in store with that one

Dave.

Ohh, there is such a mix slider?

DaveGamble · Post by **DaveGamble** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:30 pm

4damind wrote:
DaveGamble wrote:Also, do note the Int-Ext S/C mix slider Great evil lies in store with that one

Dave.
Ohh, there is such a mix slider?

Double-click the s/c eq graph.

While you're at it, double-click the main eq graph and detector graphs. It's good for you

Dave.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:32 pm

Btw. I cannot remember that there are many compressors on the market, providing also a negative ratio

Dr.Gunjah · Post by **Dr.Gunjah** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:32 pm

@ttoz: core2duo 6600 with 2.4 ghz (afaik slightly overclocked)

DaveGamble wrote: I've tried to keep it fairly straightforward. The Character mods change the lower half settings. The Compression Styles mods change the major controls. The Utils ones... well, they're more of a mixed bag.

Over the next week, you'll find (have you hit "Save Mod" yet? ) that you stash a few key mods, which take care of certain situations.

Yeah I've seen there are those checkboxes to select the parameters you need though it's somewhat "fire and forget" since I can't re-check which parameters I chose (or do I?

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I have to play with it some more to get a real impression on it.

Watch that turn into a pref
Half speed do it?

A preference would be awesome.
Well, of course the more speed options the better

If I had to chose one, I would say 1/5 or 1/10 of the current speed. It's really insanely fast now

I understand the concern; this problem arises from the fact that we have unusually wide ranges.
No one law will be perfect for all types of task. What we have is what we determined to be the best compromise; giving you fine control when you need it (with low thresholds, low ratios like 1.01:1 are crucial!), but still access to the full range. Likewise with the attacks... you'll stumble onto unusual situations where very low attack/release times do things that are, well, magical.

It's not that we have small values like 0.01ms but that it takes ~5-10 mousewheel "spins" to change it from e.g. 0.00ms to 0.01ms (with medium mousewheel setting)
Though to be honest this is not a showstopper.. I can live it

We've enlarged all the major values by 20% on EQuality. We'd lose resolution on the meters to enlarge it, and that would be a bad thing, so again it's a compromise, but one we have considered carefully.
If you right-click (or double-click) the meter, you'll get a zoom mode. This may help?

It helps a bit, but not much. It's still very small and you get distracted by that bright vu-meters (especially at digital vu-mode.. very exhausting for the eyes).
Might be cool if one could switch the graph to a big fat GR meter... or maybe something like a GR history like Pro-C or Voxengo Polysquasher have.
The graph takes a lot of place on the GUI and you probably don't need the waveform thing all the time (I guess?)

Working on this one. Sadly didn't make it in for release, but yes, this is coming.

ok, cool

Cheers,
Doc

DaveGamble · Post by **DaveGamble** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:32 pm

4damind wrote:Btw. I cannot remember that there are many compressors on the market, providing also a negative ratio

It's overcompression, represented numerically. All is well

Dave.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:35 pm

DaveGamble wrote:
4damind wrote:
DaveGamble wrote:Also, do note the Int-Ext S/C mix slider Great evil lies in store with that one

Dave.
Ohh, there is such a mix slider?
Double-click the s/c eq graph.

While you're at it, double-click the main eq graph and detector graphs. It's good for you

Dave.

Aaaaah.. Yeah!! This is a bit like looking for some Easter eggs

great, very great...

DaveGamble · Post by **DaveGamble** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:36 pm

Dr.Gunjah wrote: Yeah I've seen there are those checkboxes to select the parameters you need though it's somewhat "fire and forget" since I can't re-check which parameters I chose (or do I? )
I have to play with it some more to get a real impression on it.

I'll have a think

Watch that turn into a pref
Half speed do it?
A preference would be awesome.
Well, of course the more speed options the better
If I had to chose one, I would say 1/5 or 1/10 of the current speed. It's really insanely fast now

Will add this for an update shortly

We've enlarged all the major values by 20% on EQuality. We'd lose resolution on the meters to enlarge it, and that would be a bad thing, so again it's a compromise, but one we have considered carefully.
If you right-click (or double-click) the meter, you'll get a zoom mode. This may help?
It helps a bit, but not much. It's still very small and you get distracted by that bright vu-meters (especially at digital vu-mode.. very exhausting for the eyes).
Might be cool if one could switch the graph to a big fat GR meter... or maybe something like a GR history like Pro-C or Voxengo Polysquasher have.
The graph takes a lot of place on the GUI and you probably don't need the waveform thing all the time (I guess?)

The upper and lower bars on the meter are the GR history.

Green is attack, Red is release.

Dave.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:42 pm

koolkeys wrote:So, how does this rate in your list of compressors now? Your opinion is always valued in this area.

Brent

Very highly! I don't think it can necessarily replace "vintage" plugin emulations because there is no harmonic distortion modeling or other weird component modeling but the sheer quality of the gain reduction action itself and the extreme flexibility instantly makes it to the top of the list.

In short: I absolutely love it!

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:45 pm

4damind wrote:Btw. I cannot remember that there are many compressors on the market, providing also a negative ratio

There are a few but most of them do not label the ratios accurately. For instance the FabFilter Pro-C has negative ratio when you choose the "classic" algorithm and set ratio to maximum.

Image-Line Maximus can have basically any transfer function you like, including strange negative ratios.

Softube FET compressor has some weird negative ratio stuff going on when you set the ratio knob in between 20:1 and the "nuke/all buttons in" mode.

Waves C1 also has negative ratios available, if I recall correctly.

Cheers!
bManic

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:47 pm

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DaveGamble · Post by **DaveGamble** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:47 pm

Not to give away any big secrets, but I'll point out, as I have before, the strange pro audio truth that harmonic distortions (saturations etc) seem to always be on either the input or the output of a processor. So EQuality and COMPassion don't do that, safe in the knowledge that with saturation before and/or saturation after, you're absolutely not losing ANYTHING

That might have been a clue.

Dave.

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