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metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:54 pm

If anyone is interested to compare the real Soldano with the sims, I did these pretty quickly and not too scientific. Just load the wav files into your DAW and use your preferred cabinet sim you would use with the Soldano amp sim models. These are recorded from the Soldano's preamp output, which has no cabinet emulation. Sorry I could not provide the dry guitar signal as I don't have a splitter box, but these should still give you a rough idea.

Here's the signal chain:

1996 Gibson Les Pual Standard (with the standard pickups, 490 and 496 I beleive)> guitar cable> Soldano Hot Rod 50 head
>Preamp out> Mogami cable> IK Multimedia Stealth Pedal (no boost)>computer/Ableton Live.

48000 khz/24 bit

The amp's EQ settings were kept the same in all the clips, with a Warren Haynes type EQ tone dialed, which is pretty flat.
BASS 6, MID 5, TREBLE 5, Presence 6.

Throughout the 11 clips I adjusted gain settings on the different channels/toggles and used the neck and bridge pickups. The way I got the amp when I bought it,
was already modded and a Clean/Lead channel select foot switch was added to the normal HI input. The main guitar input would be where the LO
input is. There were two toggle switches added. One toggle affects the clean channel to switch it between the clean and crunch, just like
on the Amplitube SLO model. The other toggle switch is labeled as "Modern" and Vintage, and I assume the the modern setting
is the Bright setting on the SLO 100. I am not too sure if the official "Warren Haynes" mod (which is a bass boost/bright capacitor disabling when the pre gain is set low)
was done to this or not, as I emailed Mike and they said they did not perform the mod. The Hot Rod 50 being 50 watts, I also
don't know if this was changed to match the SLO 100 watts. But it seems like it was modded to behave like the SLO 100.

Sorry I couldn't provide the dry guitar signal DI as well, as I don't have a splitter. But the chords are simple enough for you to replicate, being the common E A D sequence, and a pentatonic E blues scale.
I tried to match volume as best I could without clipping the DI. No other pre/post processing is done. The wave form you see came directly from the pre amp output on the back of the Soldano.

Use your preferred cab sim.

The wav files should be labeled as such but I will explain anyway.

-1 lead vint gain3 warren haynes
(removed temporarily until I redo it with sound this time

)
Lead channel, vintage (no bright) toggle switch, pre gain at 3, for the typical Warren Haynes sound, bridge pickup

-2 lead vint gain6 warren haynes
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... haynes.wav
same as clip 1, but pre gain on 6

-3 lead vint gain11 warren haynes
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... haynes.wav
same as clip 1, but pre gain on 11

-4
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... bridge.wav
clean channel, vintage toggle, pre gain on 3, bridge pickup

-5
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... 20neck.wav
clean channel, vintage toggle, pre gain at 3, neck pickup

-6
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... pikups.wav
clean channel, vintage, pre gain at 3, both pickups (Les pual middle position)

-7
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... bridge.wav
clean channel with crunch toggle on, vintage toggle, gain at 5, bridge pickup

-8
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... bridge.wav
same as clip 7, but using the neck pickup (disregard the error in the wav file name)

-9
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... bridge.wav
clean channel, modern/bright toggle on, pre gain at 5, bridge pickup

-10
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... LPneck.wav
same as clip 9, but using the neck pickup

-11
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/Soldano ... LPneck.wav
My favorite clean setting, for a warm bluesy/jazz type sound, clean channel, bright toggle switch, pre gain on 3, neck pickup

All guitar volume/tone knobs were in there max defualt positions at 10, all the way up. But the beauty with this amp is the control in changing tones just with using
your guitars knobs alone. Also the touch/feel/response and picking dynamic response you might be able to hear.

I also have a Squire strat I can test, but this amp really sings with a humbucker LP type guitar. But the strat also sounds lovely through it.
I usually never use any overdrive/distortion pedals into it. But they will add different flavors.

I guess this should belong in the effects forum as it pertains to amp simming, but possibly in the hardware section.

ObiWonder · Post by **ObiWonder** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:32 am

Checking them out now...

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:17 am

metalifuxx,
many thanks for doing this !

I'll give them a good try over the WE, mostly using Redwire impulses, and report back.

Btw, could you possibly check #1 ?
It comes up empty here, the others are allright.

metalifuxx wrote:The Hot Rod 50 being 50 watts, I also
don't know if this was changed to match the SLO 100 watts. But it seems like it was modded to behave like the SLO 100.

Certainly not, you would've noticed by another pair of power tubes, a new pair of trannies and, perhaps most obvious, the bill.

Cheers,
susiwong

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:39 am

#3 was noise too (1 was nada)

I have to wait to listen

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:08 am

Hink wrote:#3 was noise too (1 was nada)

I have to wait to listen

#3 works ok here, but it starts with a feedback note.

ymmv,
susiwong

metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:43 am

I'll try to redo #1 tomorrow, dunno what happened. Maybe the track was muted when I rendered

Like I said, did these real quick.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:47 am

no chance you could mic it up?

metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:53 am

Hink wrote:no chance you could mic it up?

I probably could, but I let my friend borrow my Presonus Eureka channel strip ATM, so I will have to use the M-Audio Mobile Pre with the Shure SM53 and possibly the Behringer B2 condenser. I could wait to get the Presonus back and use my friends standard SM57 and also a Cascade Fathead ribbon mic, single mic only as the Presonus Eureka is only one channel, but a good one at that.

The cab which I have mentioned many a time on here, is an official Soldano 2x12 cab with V30s.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:57 am

I can wait

ObiWonder · Post by **ObiWonder** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:21 am

Ya I got errors after I tried playing them. Some are just silent.

cliftone · Post by **cliftone** » Sun May 01, 2011 1:20 pm

Thank you so much for all of the effort in doing this. I have the samples and will compare this evening to the amp sim. I have a squire strat, and a telecaster so mine will sound a little different. I like the sound of the real Soldano, again thanks for this.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Tue May 10, 2011 6:37 pm

Hi metalifuxx,
sorry I haven't replied sooner.

This is good material, no doubt !
You certainly captured real Soldano tone here.

I like them best with Redwire/iFace (no ambience) and a bit of bright drum room added.
No reverb, just a very small room.
Like you said yourself, part of the beauty of the real thing is the dynamic reaction to picking and controls - people will have to try a real one for this cool experience !

I don't have a decent Soldano sim to compare, still waiting for S-Gear.

Just dug out an older clip though of my long sold SP-77, it's just a quick 90 min job to send to the buyer, sorry 'bout the cheesy riff, but it did the trick.

Guitars are too high in the "mix" on purpose, obviously.
Custom made EC Strat for rhythm, 2003 LP Std w. Pearlies for lead, DI via cabsim of a MESA Studio Pre (only the cabsim, no MESA amp stages involved), Behringer SNR-2000 noise reduction, a bit of PSP-42 and Plate 140 added in Cubase.
Soldano SP-77 clip

Have fun,
susiwong

Real Soldano amp clips/DIs