KVR Audio

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:53 pm

Energy Studios wrote: There doesn't seem to be many complaining about SOUNDBOOTH being dropped.

Seems good to me because now they can hopefully give Audition undivided attention and hopefully the development pace will pick up again.

Ozpeter · Post by **Ozpeter** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:55 pm

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/838570?tstart=0 is recommended reading, posted by the excellent Durin from the Adobe development team - the inside story.

rcat · Post by **rcat** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:59 pm

"MIDI functionality has not been addressed with this release. At this time we have not implemented MIDI-based hardware control, playback, or virtual instrument sequencing. I don't think anyone on the team was satisfied with the VSTi composition environment offered in Audition 3, nor with the implementation necessary to integrate it with the multitrack environment, and I hope that if it returns in the future, that we can offer a robust, integrated solution that can stand toe-to-toe with other sequencers".

So all hope is not lost! Please, please, please Adobe bring it to us! I'm sure I speak for many customers besides myself.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:41 pm

rcat wrote:"MIDI functionality has not been addressed with this release. At this time we have not implemented MIDI-based hardware control, playback, or virtual instrument sequencing. I don't think anyone on the team was satisfied with the VSTi composition environment offered in Audition 3, nor with the implementation necessary to integrate it with the multitrack environment, and I hope that if it returns in the future, that we can offer a robust, integrated solution that can stand toe-to-toe with other sequencers".

So all hope is not lost! Please, please, please Adobe bring it to us! I'm sure I speak for many customers besides myself.

+1000000000000000000000000000

diggum · Post by **diggum** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:21 pm

Back from NAB and getting caught up on email and actual work. I've been adding screenshots and answering questions about the release on the thread OzPeter mentioned above, so I encourage y'all to visit and check it out.

Real quick, VST and AU (on Mac) support is there and had been significantly improved. Audition CS 5.5 is still a 32-bit application, so 64-bit VST effects will not work, however expect to see 64-bit support at some point in the future. We made the decision to remain 32-bit for the time being for a few reasons: First, a significant portion of our userbase is radio production, and if you've ever worked in this industry you're aware that hardware updates are few and far between and Audition needed to work, and work well, on older 32-bit, single-core systems running Windows XP. Second, because we're a small team and this re-write was such a major undertaking, focusing our testing resources on 32-bit platforms reduced our testing hit by at least half. Performance-wise, 64-bit doesn't seem to offer the performance improvements in audio that you would see in high definition video production. It's there, but it's a rather subtle improvement where the bigger bottleneck tends to be disk access. Lastly, there's a relative dearth of quality 64-bit plug-ins right now and much of the feedback we received during our pre-release and customer visits indicated that few wanted to update all of their third party plug-ins at this time. All of that said, we hold no misconceptions that demand for 64-bit will grow, and pledge to support that platform.

Speaking of storage speed, I got a chance to play with some of the new Thunderbolt-based drive arrays. HOLY MOLY! Uncompressed 10-bit, 5K video streaming and scrubbing as smooth as melted butter. I have no idea the price tag on these right now, but yum.

Runaway · Post by **Runaway** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:04 pm

One of the things which became obvious to us some time ago when Adobe announced that the xml format was the way to go was that an SES format converter would be needed. So we have spent several months not only reworking our AATranslator code but designing and developing a standalone bulk SES conversion utility that would convert SES files to the new AA4 SESX format.

Essentially this is a free utility but having had a couple of people building and testing for some months a generous donation would not go astray.

What do you get for free?
If you are converting from AA3 you pretty much get everything bar loops, midi, external fx and some of the more non standard track automation.
All internal fx (that exist in AA4) and routing etc are converted.

Previous version get much the same except no internal fx.

Those who do make a donation will be entitled to things like removal of nag screens, internal fx (for pre AA3 versions) and supported external fx.
You also get the bulk processing rather than one at a time.

Is it good?
No
Its brilliant even if we do say so ourselves

ProConvert eat your heart out

http://www.aatranslator.com.au/ses2sesx.html

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:02 pm

Whoa, great news.

I'll surely upgrade from my old 2.0 (that's not even installed now), I don't mind losing VSTi and MIDI, because I use to use it as multitrack replacement for Wavelab and I'm sure it'll fulfill that role even better now

k

Energy Studios · Post by **Energy Studios** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:05 pm

headquest wrote:
Energy Studios wrote: There doesn't seem to be many complaining about SOUNDBOOTH being dropped.
Seems good to me because now they can hopefully give Audition undivided attention and hopefully the development pace will pick up again.

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I tend to agree but you'd imagine a big company like Adobe could afford to run two progs that overlap. Think Dreamweaver and Contribute.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:04 am

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diggum · Post by **diggum** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:22 pm

Wanted to update that the full 30-day trial is available for download directly from adobe.com now. Significant improvements to the playback engine were made since the public beta was released, so I'd be curious to hear if your performance with latency-heavy effects is improved. There should be full latency compensation for all VST effects, but if you're finding instances where that's not the case, please let me know the effect and the details so we can look into it further.

Thanks for the encouragement and I hope you guys enjoy what we've been working on.
Durin

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu May 05, 2011 12:37 am

Having spent some intensive time with the demo I must say as an Audition 3.0 daily user I'm very deeply disappointed.

The stuff missing goes WAY beyond what has been mentioned in the course of this thread so far. Check out the list here:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/895/cpsid_89588.html

CD Burning is a biggie, but I was shocked that there's no longer a video thumbnail in the timeline to align video/sound/music accurately. Also the lack of clip preview when you import a file, drastic reduction in file formats supported (including no support for WMV, WMA...) and the absence of timestretching in the multitrack, and much much more....

A couple of the missing effects have been mentioned already, but there's actually 20 effects gone! Including several of the more unusual effects difficult to replace elsewhere, such a binaural auto-panner, doppler, frequency band splitter and stereo field rotate. Also the convolution effect which was so ground breaking in CEP.

For users of Audition 3.0, I see little justification for upgrading, and to be honest I feel insulted that Adobe want me to pay for what is *mostly* an obvious downgrade.

PLEASE Adobe - there's real potential in this rebuild, but get the product FINISHED! I don't want this half-made thing. Audition 3.0 is a mature product, and CS5.5 is just not there.

rcat · Post by **rcat** » Thu May 05, 2011 6:09 am

Hey folks, here's a great idea: Let's take a wonderful product with great future potential, rip it a new a**hole and let it bleed to death. Everyone's going to want to upgrade to that, right?
It seems as though it might be long overdue for Adobe to make an "upgrade" to it's Audition development "team".

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Thu May 05, 2011 7:23 am

I just got home from work, checked my inbox and boom there it is!!!!

Adobe releasing cs 5.5 with Audition. Wow !! I was really excited and then I read some recent comments.

Now I know some of you are hardcore /power users and I also benefit from your comments and experience.

I too have been with Audition/ cool edit since about 1.5.
My upgrade is only 99 usd so its not a ball breaker.

With some of the initial comments it seems like the Adobe team has tried to appease the Mac crowd in order to get customers who may use Wavelab and SoundForge and perhaps forgotten the real needs of the PC user.

Guess I'll just have to do the download first and evaluate second.

Cheers

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu May 05, 2011 7:30 am

You will save yourself some time reading the missing features list from Adobe again:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/895/cpsid_89588.html

I didn't catch the list until I hit the Adobe forums later ... after spending a few hours wondering why I could no longer timestretch a clip, reading through all the online help stuff, etc. I can't believe they have iZotope Radius built in but don't let you stretch a clip in the multi track any more!

Then I went to test some video clips I had downloaded a while ago and found there is no WMV support... and no thumbnail on the quicktime ....

And so it went. If I had seen and read the big list first I would have known not to waste my time looking for some of those basic things.

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Thu May 05, 2011 8:23 am

Adobe have definitely ripped the guts out but hopefully not the heart.

Can any users comment on speed of new audio engine and delay compensation. Admittedly I can do without some of the missing plugs as I can use my own from Izotope and Focusrite.

Will report back on Saturday with my opinion/ evaluation so I look forward to other PC users two cents worth.

Cheers

Any news on Adobe Audition 4?