Big Book Of Rhythms?

[thared33]

Hi all. I want to get some new ideas for rhythms for either basslines or melodies, but I don't want to listen to other music to get them since I'll end up associating that rhythm with a particular kind of scale/sound. Would there happen to be a book or two out there that's basically just a huge book of nothing but different rhythms/patterns to try? I'm talking something like where it has sheet music and has the rhythm shown on a single line for a few measures or so. That would be excellent to have on hand to get tracks going fastly.

[Doug1978-OLD]

Hi
Not sure if you're talking about rhythmic melodies and bass lines for keyboard / synths, but if so the 2 books i've enjoyed using are:
'Playing Keyboard Bass Lines' by John Valerio;
and 'Dictionary of Keyboard Grooves' by Gail Johnson.
Both books have plenty of original sheet music examples in a variety of styles, and they can be bought reasonably cheaply.
Doug

[anomandaris1]

buy good metronom with polyrhythms etc

[thared33]

I mean like, just a single line of notation for rhythm. No actual melodies/basslines, just the rhythm from them so I can apply that rhythm to a particular scale/mode that I like.

[Doug1978-OLD]

Thared33 - it is unclear whether you've read my reply, but what is stopping you from taking the rhythm patterns suggested in those 2 books (or any alternate ideas found in your own time) and applying them to your tracks?
If you don't want to learn or imitate style pattern suggestions in books, why not just create your own patterns?

[coquillo]

I mean like, just a single line of notation for rhythm. No actual melodies/basslines, just the rhythm from them so I can apply that rhythm to a particular scale/mode that I like.

458330 Number of non-syncopated 8-bar 1/4-note rhythmic patterns.
210066388901 Number of non-syncopated 8-bar 1/8-note rhythmic patterns.

They would have to be pretty big books.

Try this

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 99&start=0

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm

[tapper mike]

Hi all. I want to get some new ideas for rhythms for either basslines or melodies, but I don't want to listen to other music to get them since I'll end up associating that rhythm with a particular kind of scale/sound. Would there happen to be a book or two out there that's basically just a huge book of nothing but different rhythms/patterns to try? I'm talking something like where it has sheet music and has the rhythm shown on a single line for a few measures or so. That would be excellent to have on hand to get tracks going fastly.

I don't want to use a C chord because I've heard it in so many songs before.

There used to be a saying that went around big name music schools. You learn so you can forget and then rediscover.

You really can't take harmonic value out of the equation. At least I can't so I don't. If the rhythmic feel is solid you'll learn how to punch thru the holes with variation.


That being said those who stand on the shoulders of giants are pretty honest about doing so and it didn't diminsh their talent or reputation.

[jancivil]

Hi all. I want to get some new ideas for rhythms for either basslines or melodies, but I don't want to listen to other music to get them since I'll end up associating that rhythm with a particular kind of scale/sound. Would there happen to be a book or two out there that's basically just a huge book of nothing but different rhythms/patterns to try? I'm talking something like where it has sheet music and has the rhythm shown on a single line for a few measures or so. That would be excellent to have on hand to get tracks going fastly.

You want things to go 'fastly' but you don't have rhythm on your side yet. This isn't a great way to proceed frankly.

From my estimation of where you're at (eg., 'I'll end up associating that rhythm with a particular kind of scale/sound'), the idea of getting ideas 'but not from other music's isn't so wise. This is where you'll get the context of how rhythm works in musics, from experience with music. I suggest you endeavor to solve the problem in parantheses, and soon. This is a hang-up. You need to get the thing objectively, rhythm, melody, what-have-you, and you really can't avoid the act of experiencing music by playing extant music. If you had sufficient experience as a bass player or a drummer, you won't have that hang up, because you'll have context...

But, it isn't a bad idea per se to abstract rhythms just as rhythms, and you can get books put together for drummers, exercises. If you have a rich public library, there may be materials there. When I didn't have the wherewithal to put any music together, I spent my time in the library and there was a LOT of material as per rhythm.

If you can, I suggest an exercise: find a bass line that someone made that works for you, and solo that, and practice beating out the drum part that works for you with that bassline.

Don't be in any hurry to force yourself to come up with ideas; it occurs to me that you haven't experience with extant ideas to the degree you are ready to say you have them. Gain that experience, take the time to do your homework, Rome wasn't built in a day.