Slate Virtual Console Plugin is now available

[Compyfox]

We're refinding the VU metering for the next update as I know its an important issue. It will also fix some GUI issues. Win RTAS and 64bit are making great progress.

I really hope this will be fixed in the next version. It's indeed "the" essential feature on such particular plugins.

On top of adding the asked FR's.

I'll be posting more demos there next week, including some comparisons with an SSL 4000 G+ and a Neve 8048 from NRG studios.

So my assumption was a bit off, if these consoles are the models that VCC is based upon. I was more thinking of the 4k E-Series (mid 80ies) with Brit 4k rather than the G-Series (early 90ies, seperate patch, removed from the current release) or the upgraded G+ (2000). So wouldn't an A/B kind of useless in this case?

In terms of the Neve 8048 (late 70ies), I expected more like the 80ies consoles with the Brit N setting. This adds a different viewpoint indeed. US A still seems to be late 70ies, and Poseidons Weapon still end 60ies.

Or am I mixing something up atm, I remember posting at KVR about the dates, but I can't find the post anymore.


Still waiting for the remaining consoles (and possible new ones) though...

[Slate]

The SSL G+ is my favorite of the SSL's. To my ears, its clearer than the older E series and has a bit more "balls" to the sound. The one we modeled had a particularly nice low end and was a console that many great records had been mixed on, so we went for it. The "4k" model on the VCC is the one I personally use the most.

For the Brit N, it was a lot harder to choose. There are a lot of good old Neves (the console in which we used to model the Brit N) in Los Angeles, so after trying quite a few, I narrowed it down to two of them. One of them was NRG's A Room Neve 8048, but we couldn't get back in to run tests in it because the room got booked, so we went with another 8048 that I thought was amazing sound.. rich lower mids and lows.. dark top end.. pretty classic for that type of sound.

The US A Discrete was a 70's model. Those desks are pretty consistent sounding as long as they've been maintained. And the Symbol was just luck.. my friend Ron got one and it happened to be in mint condition and sounded awesome, so that was easy.

I actually just heard a Helios console and loved how it sounded, but when I brought it up to Fabrice he nearly took my head off because he's a bit overwhelmed at the moment. In fact I recall him saying that he'd vomit on the schematic if I brought it to him. So.. gonna have to wait on that one. We do have another desk model nearly done that will be a free update.

[rhythmmaster]

Slate-that is seductively close to answering the billion dollar question thats been asked several times. Which exact consoles did you model? Which studios are they in? Whats the point in posting comparisons with consoles you didnt model?

[penguinfromdeep]

Slate-that is seductively close to answering the billion dollar question thats been asked several times. Which exact consoles did you model? Which studios are they in? Whats the point in posting comparisons with consoles you didnt model?

You want their telephone number, home address and access codes to their online bank too? I think the plug-ins have proved themselves, they sound good, I don't care about anything else.

[4damind]

Slate-that is seductively close to answering the billion dollar question thats been asked several times. Which exact consoles did you model? Which studios are they in? Whats the point in posting comparisons with consoles you didnt model?

You want their telephone number, home address and access codes to their online bank too? I think the plug-ins have proved themselves, they sound good, I don't care about anything else.

Indeed. LOL

[rhythmmaster]

Slate-that is seductively close to answering the billion dollar question thats been asked several times. Which exact consoles did you model? Which studios are they in? Whats the point in posting comparisons with consoles you didnt model?

You want their telephone number, home address and access codes to their online bank too? I think the plug-ins have proved themselves, they sound good, I don't care about anything else.

Come on! This is the typical rhetoric from people on the defensive when someone asks this question. This plugin is sold (unlike something like Satson) on being "nailed it" emulations of consoles. That claim needs to be given some sort of credence or else its just marketing nonsense.

On another note. A friend of a friend of a friend said to my friend one time that the only types of plugs that cause Protools to max out badly when using wrapped vst plugins are those using impulse responses

[penguinfromdeep]

Come on! This is the typical rhetoric from people on the defensive when someone asks this question. This plugin is sold (unlike something like Satson) on being "nailed it" emulations of consoles. That claim needs to be given some sort of credence or else its just marketing nonsense.

Marketing is marketing I'm not defensive and it's not of course bad to ask questions like this but you came out like Slate has something to hide and it's all just lies and conspiracy. What difference does it make if you knew those little details like in what particular studio some console resides. He could make up some more stories anyway, hehe. I think he has said enough already tbh and I have no reason to doubt those claims.

[bishop666]

Slate is a great storyteller when it comes to the consoles-question.



He always says: "I can't tell because of this, i can't tell becaus of that..."

- Yes, of course you can't. And that's the only correct answer.






If the VCC is a nice sounding plugin? That's a completly different question.

[4damind]

That claim needs to be given some sort of credence or else its just marketing nonsense

You should not forget that Steven Slate is a mixing engineer with some reputation. He knows about the consoles, worked with them, has many contacts with other studios with such consoles.
He is not the programmer of the plug-ins, this is the part of Fabrice and Fabrice earned some reputation with plug-ins from Eiosis, his own company.
I'm not interested what development IDE Fabrice used or the name of the studio owner where Steven gets the schematics and such stuff.
May be this could be interesting more for a video cast "making of".
But it's not important for the sound and the own usage of VCC.

[Compyfox]

The SSL G+ is my favorite of the SSL's. To my ears, its clearer than the older E series and has a bit more "balls" to the sound. The one we modeled had a particularly nice low end and was a console that many great records had been mixed on, so we went for it. The "4k" model on the VCC is the one I personally use the most.

So it is official now, the Brit 4k Model in VCC is based upon a 2000 built 4000 G+ console, rather than a (probably 90ies) regular G series one (can't find more info, when the G were definitely build).

This is surprising, I really thought you went for a 90ies console sound with this one. Then again, the G+ is actually the G, only with added surround capabilities - but with modern spareparts.

For the Brit N, ... so we went with another 8048 that I thought was amazing sound.. rich lower mids and lows.. dark top end.. pretty classic for that type of sound.

Here the serial would really help, but I take it it was indeed a late 70ies console one way or another.

The US A Discrete was a 70's model. Those desks are pretty consistent sounding as long as they've been maintained. And the Symbol was just luck.. my friend Ron got one and it happened to be in mint condition and sounded awesome, so that was easy.

Again, surprising... two 70ies sound consoles with VCC, one from around 2000 and one from late 60ies with this collection.

I really thought we have access to a more broader sound from the last decades. Then again, there are still desks planned as update (the Brit 9k for example, depending on the model - definitely 90ies or early 2000s sound).

I actually just heard a Helios console and loved how it sounded, but when I brought it up to Fabrice he nearly took my head off because he's a bit overwhelmed at the moment. In fact I recall him saying that he'd vomit on the schematic if I brought it to him. So.. gonna have to wait on that one. We do have another desk model nearly done that will be a free update.

I take it it's either the (promised) RCA/Tubey from the 60ies yet again, or the missing NeoTek (modified). Or... well there was another "Rupert" model, and there's also still the 9k.


I take it, you used the NeoTek for your video demos?

And since Fabrice wants to shred you apart if you mention any more "ports" or provide scematics, I don't think it's a good idea to reask about the other FR'ed desks?

Slate-that is seductively close to answering the billion dollar question thats been asked several times. Which exact consoles did you model? Which studios are they in? Whats the point in posting comparisons with consoles you didnt model?

I think Steven pretty much answered the questions for at least the Brit N, the Brit 4k and the "Symbol" (not Prince!). Keep in mind, no console sounds the same. One can be modded, one could be worn down, another one upgraded, etc. Doesn't matter really.

Or do we want to get back into the "Nebula vs" or "Waves vs" debate again?




Oh and, to my special poster...
Haters gonna hate.

[rhythmmaster]

You should not forget that Steven Slate is a mixing engineer with some reputation.

Can you link me to his discography? I would be interested in seeing what he's mixed.

[trimph1]

Since when is Slate now supposed to be subjected to a grand inquisition everytime he is mentioned here...is he some kind of radical other that has to be crushed?

If he told you where he worked, who he was with, who he worked under/with/for, and all the history behind the desks and such you won't believe him anyways...

Other people have used to the phrase 'emulations' to represent a (re)presentation in software form of a real object and do not get quite this degree of haranguing about his use of the term...why is he the one to get clobbered for using that marketing term?

You guys already doubt he is telling you the truth about his consoles for craps sake..nothing he will say will satisfy you at this rate...just don't buy the ding thing...sheesh

[rhythmmaster]

There were some wild claims made about this plug by the developer and they need to be backed up with evidence.

The guy who posted above me said he is a mix engineer of some reputation yet i dont know of anything of significance he has mixed and there are no results when i search Google for "Steven Slate discography."
Being from a science background i like claims to be substantiated

[trimph1]

So you have a more literal view of the word 'emulation' than I do.

If it is all the same to you I'd be more likely to look at how well it work within my own mixes, rather than trying to 'prove' him a liar, simply because you set yourself up to be the arbiter of 'the Truth'...in the singular and with a capitol T. At the rate this has gone on, even if there was a mention of his name as a recording engineer, I kind of doubt that you would say he was telling the truth...because anyone can claim a certain name as their's ... besides, one does not always use their original name always..remember the term...pseudonym?

[rhythmmaster]

At the rate this has gone on, even if there was a mention of his name as a recording engineer, I kind of doubt that you would say he was telling the truth...because anyone can claim a certain name as their's ... besides, one does not always use their original name always..remember the term...pseudonym?

Indeed. Okay i tried his real name (you did know Slate was the pseudonym right?!) which is Steven/Steve Lintz and can find nothing.