Slate Virtual Console Plugin is now available

[trimph1]

No problemo Mr Lintz. Now you're here stop trying the dictator tactic of making an example of the "weird stalker" and post up some evidence or lurkers will be questioning your credentials

There's nothing to question here.
Slate and fabrice already showed their real faces here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301514

Two unethical guys, who do everything to sell their stuff.
It's sad to see, that there are still so many people, thinking about actually buying from them.

Again.

That has nothing to do with The Truth...in the singular and with a capitol T.

I read the original comments he made about others work and he never said that his was better..but different. Do we understand difference? As in there being no hierarchical valuation here? I see his console emulations as different tools to use...

I think the word 'emulation' has become a kind of red flag to certain people who are seekers of...The Truth...and they cannot abide simple difference...

[rhythmmaster]

Rhythmmaster you cute little annoying kid you.. not that it matters to this thread or whether or not the VCC will be a good plugin for you..., but since mixing and mastering George Lynch's album in the winter, I've mastered tracks for the band Revis, mixed and mastered two singles for a hot new band called Delta Rose, currently mixing a wonderful Swiss band called The Hundred Days, wrote and produced about two albums worth of pop songs with various writers like Griffon Boice, mastered at least five or six albums for various other bands (it'll be on allmusic soon sorry I can't name them all), and all the while, I've run an audio company and as you have already concluded, plotted to manipulate people's brains via DSP so I can soon rule the world.

Since 2005 I've worked very hard on my audio companies, but I've made a commitment this year to take more time to make music, so look for more to come soon lil buddy.

Here's a really great up and coming Nashville artist Ashlee Williss.. I wrote (with her), produced, mixed, and mastered her song The Bottom.. here is a video of it, I really love her voice:


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So basically you've done a little bit of mixing and mastering for some unsigned bands and an 80s shredder. Given you make a point of listing those i assume thats the pinnacle of your "Discography" right? That Ashlee Willis Youtube video has been on there for 3 months and has less that 2,000 views. Lets contrast that with the Strokes new song which was uploaded around the same time-it has over 4,000,000 views. Make of that what you will. It makes me think you Steven are not a professional mixer or producer. There's nothing wrong with that at all, there is a lot wrong with you alluding to being a pro to give yourself credibility. Oh and i know its an artistic decision but do you really think those Slate drum samples are the right sounds for that type of song, particularly in the verse?
Ok cool you've answered that one so at least we know now you are hardly a well experienced mixing or mastering engineer-dont have a problem with that its just nice to have some evidence.

Ok Steve would you care to inform your customers and potential customers (the most important groups in business right?) which actual desks were modeled. Please dont mention your own desk or the one your mate owns. I'll put my cards on the table and say i dont think you guys modeled any desks. I think it was 1 of 2 options.

1. Fabrice came up with an algo that sounded kinda SSL.
Fabrice then changed the EQ curve, transfer function, stereo width etc.. of this Algo and created new algos and you guys named them according to the associations you wanted the potentials customers make.

2. You make some IRs and your plug is IR based. In fact a friend of mines claims this is why it doesnt play nicely when wrapped in Protools.

Steve i only ask this as myself and a lot of engineers i work with (and their clients) are very reluctant to support your products as we kinda see you as, well pretty disingenuous. So Steven prove me wrong and maybe more of us will open our wallets for you.

Please dont side step any of the subtleties of these questions as myself and others will just keep asking them and the more you dont answer the more doubt will be built in the mind of your potential customer base.

[rhythmmaster]

There's nothing to question here.
Slate and fabrice already showed their real faces here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301514

Two unethical guys, who do everything to sell their stuff.
It's sad to see, that there are still so many people, thinking about actually buying from them.

Oh yeah that thread, i remember it got buried on here and over at GS and other forums.

[bezusheist]

i won't eat McDonalds because i question their beef "emulation" methods.

this thread should be shut down,,,geez

[trimph1]

There's nothing to question here.
Slate and fabrice already showed their real faces here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301514

Two unethical guys, who do everything to sell their stuff.
It's sad to see, that there are still so many people, thinking about actually buying from them.

Oh yeah that thread, i remember it got buried on here and over at GS and other forums.

Oh yes. There was a dark conspiracy to bury those threads to keep people in the dark about their evil plan to take over ze world....

[Compyfox]

this thread should be shut down,,,geez

For once I agree with you, rhythmmaster is going too far. Especially in terms of insulting people with regards to their skills. That's not the first time that happened (SatSon thread again? eh?)



Regarding the "AlexB vs. VCC" thread.
Seriously, I compared the plots from the Betas with the official plots from AlexB myself. While they do look similar(!) on the harmonics, the noise floor is different, so is the frequency response.

And it should be! (different units, different plots - remember?)


Then again - do you really(?!) compare plugins by pure plots only?

Such THD/Frequency/Phase plots are a reference for what this thing actually does, not how it sounds in context! On top of it, even C.Budde's "standard" (or the "Private Version") Analyser can't show every small tidbit - so you CAN NOT compare these two tools by plots alone. There is more to it than those three measurements, and a lot of crazy interpretation thrown on top of it (admit it, who of you can actually CORRECTLY interpret it? I sure as hell can't - heck even the developer of VSTPlugiAnalyser can't!).

So the whole drama around these Nebula presets were not only unadjusted, they were just plain wrong and I still call shenanigans.


"Proof or STFU" you ask?
Well somewhere in the trash bin of my last OS backup...

You have access to the tools (obviously, else you wouldn't go haywire about it), just open your eyes. The analysis windows can be zoomed, you know? And can be compared with the "snapshot function" as well.



Sometimes I feel that KVR and GS is like a well known "HiFi" board where people go nuts about flopped bits with a 30grand platinum cable rather than a board about plugins and the technology behind it.




There is no dark conspiracy going on, geez.
What's the next target? Waves? Nah, Waves is cool - they know their sh*t, right?!

...yeah right.



Sadly, I have to say IBTL.

[Nokenoku]

There is more to it than those three measurements, and a lot of crazy interpretation thrown on top of it (admit it, who of you can actually CORRECTLY interpret it? I sure as hell can't - heck even the developer of VSTPlugiAnalyser can't!).

It's very bold to make statements about other peoples abilities.

I personally can interpret the data, and I'm sure most developers understand it as well.
Just because you don't understand what it means, you should not assume it's the same for everyone else.

That said, I can't even remember what the initial deal was and what kind of measurements someone did .. and it does not interest me.
All I can remember is, that Slate and Fabrice were dodging the questions and tried to be smart by ridiculing other people. If this is the way, a developer answers doubts, it's a) suspicious and b) unfriendly.
I don't need to know more than that.

[miro pajic]

So basically you've done a little bit of mixing and mastering for some unsigned bands and an 80s shredder. Given you make a point of listing those i assume thats the pinnacle of your "Discography" right? That Ashlee Willis Youtube video has been on there for 3 months and has less that 2,000 views. Lets contrast that with the Strokes new song which was uploaded around the same time-it has over 4,000,000 views. Make of that what you will. It makes me think you Steven are not a professional mixer or producer. There's nothing wrong with that at all, there is a lot wrong with you alluding to being a pro to give yourself credibility. Oh and i know its an artistic decision but do you really think those Slate drum samples are the right sounds for that type of song, particularly in the verse?
Ok cool you've answered that one so at least we know now you are hardly a well experienced mixing or mastering engineer-dont have a problem with that its just nice to have some evidence.

Ok Steve would you care to inform your customers and potential customers (the most important groups in business right?) which actual desks were modeled. Please dont mention your own desk or the one your mate owns. I'll put my cards on the table and say i dont think you guys modeled any desks. I think it was 1 of 2 options.

1. Fabrice came up with an algo that sounded kinda SSL.
Fabrice then changed the EQ curve, transfer function, stereo width etc.. of this Algo and created new algos and you guys named them according to the associations you wanted the potentials customers make.

2. You make some IRs and your plug is IR based. In fact a friend of mines claims this is why it doesnt play nicely when wrapped in Protools.

Steve i only ask this as myself and a lot of engineers i work with (and their clients) are very reluctant to support your products as we kinda see you as, well pretty disingenuous. So Steven prove me wrong and maybe more of us will open our wallets for you.

Please dont side step any of the subtleties of these questions as myself and others will just keep asking them and the more you dont answer the more doubt will be built in the mind of your potential customer base.

A good friend of mine says the same thing. Only convo plugins f**** protools up (and have those weird CPU jumps) in his experience. VCC does (did, now that he sold it) too...

[Slate]

Rhythmmaster, so you ignore my request as expected.

I've got nothing to hide.. I'm proud of my accomplishments. I could have added some things.. when I was 23 I recorded and mixed a christian rock band that sold over 100,000 copies, when I ws 25 I was making drum samples for guys like Mike Shipley and hearing my work in some of the biggest releases in the world, when I was 26 I started an audio company that has made several award winning plugins that have helped people create music. After a hiatus, I have been mixing and mastering professionally again and since major label work is so important to you, after the lynch record I've got several offers on the table for such work. I also just started mastering records at howie weinberg mastering, who is a legend in the industry and trusts my ears enough to let me represent his facility.

Now let's get to you. You are a delusional anonymous coward. You make fake aliases and post in audio forums presenting your psychotic theories and being rude and hateful.. You create nothing, contribute nothing, and hide behind your fakeness, using your keyboard like a fool. You've got such lack of substance in your life that you've gone as far as stalk my social networking sites, claiming that my photos with my personal friends are yet another marketing tool in my manipulitave agenda.. whatever that means. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing you've provided to the world is a case study on paranoid delusions. You've stalked me for almost two years now, and its not annoying, its sad. To top it off, you've proven through your past comments to be an antisemetic biggot. My point is, you lose.

And you're muted. Id be happy to discuss any issues regarding my software in a respectful manner with anyone who has questions or comments.. and I appreciate the many talented and good hearted people at kvr who have participated in intelligent conversation.

As for nebula.. despite the unprofessional way giancarlo and alex insulted the vcc at their website forums, and despite the fact that alex tried to accuse us of something that was utter bullshit, ive only praised nebula and even though I had a chance to post something that would have been quite revealing regarding the nebula consoles, I chose not to add gas to the flame, and moved on.

[Nokenoku]

- Steven Slate
biggest asshole in the industry

[lightsfadelow]

This kind of discussion puts no one in a good light.

It leaves observers with a bad taste in their mouths about the whole subject and probably impacts sales more negatively than just rising above the trash talking. For all of your history and experience, it seems like you end up being your own worst liability.

[Compyfox]

It's very bold to make statements about other peoples abilities.

No it's not, since I have contact with Christian regarding his analyser on a regular basis. And he himself told me in one mail that he sometimes does not(!) know what certain features do.

I personally can interpret the data, and I'm sure most developers understand it as well.
Just because you don't understand what it means, you should not assume it's the same for everyone else.

So, tell me what you interpret just from THD+N plots directly compared. No listening tests, just the plots! What do you see?

Oh! You can probably see that there might be aliasing going on. Good, agreed. You can see that there will be harmonics generation, and in relation with the input signal, how strong it will be on the ouput. It also shows you what the crest factor is. But else?

Does it tell you what sound it has without listening? Can you really tell me, just from the plots alone, which harmonic is positive and which negative?


Maybe you're a mad genious or something - but pure plot comparisions is complete BS.

That said, I can't even remember what the initial deal was and what kind of measurements someone did .. and it does not interest me.
All I can remember is, that Slate and Fabrice were dodging the questions and tried to be smart by ridiculing other people. If this is the way, a developer answers doubts, it's a) suspicious and b) unfriendly.
I don't need to know more than that.

I can give you two examples:
Crysonic and Sonimus!

A good friend of mine says the same thing. Only convo plugins f**** protools up (and have those weird CPU jumps) in his experience. VCC does (did, now that he sold it) too...

Never had any issues in PT with Convo Plugins. Granted, not on PT HD but LE (without latency compensation), but still. No issues. YMMV.

As for nebula.. despite the unprofessional way giancarlo and alex insulted the vcc at their website forums, and despite the fact that alex tried to accuse us of something that was utter bullshit, ive only praised nebula and even though I had a chance to post something that would have been quite revealing regarding the nebula consoles, I chose not to add gas to the flame, and moved on.

Again, both Nebula and VCC are DIFFERENT BEASTS and I can not confirm the accusations being made. VCC has different EQ fingerprints than AlexB's consoles as well (compared my own made ones with the old beta 2.x and the most recent 1.2.x beta to the AlexB PDFs). The only thing that might look similar are the THD+N plots - but again, you can't compare these plots alone! You need to do ABX listening tests.

The idea might be similar, but this is in no way a reason to take it out on somebody else (from a developer point of view). Things like that tend to be copied one day or another.

Just look at the most recent tape machine meme, people. One firm starts it, the next copies it, enhances it - then along comes firm three with a similar sound from own measurements, GUI and usage and only adds a link function.



So who stole from who?
Which firm is superior?
Why is suddenly everything else crap?
Why is the "new kid" on the block a copycat?



You see the similarities?

Personally, I'm sure as hell appreciating the developer taking his rare sparetime to answer quesiton at the many spread out webboards. This is a day-job indeed and I can definitely relate if certain developers retained from that and rather answer questions at their own boards/blogs/pages now.

One being bootsie from Variety of Sound, or Eric Persing from Spectrasonics.

[trimph1]

In an 'attempt'..if I may be so bold as to use that phrase...to bring some kind of sense to this thread I want to ask a somewhat dumb question here...

When one models a desk does one model these desks from the circuitry itself/the parts used as such/resistances/ and such ...or just how does one do these things?

I've listened to the demos and I am struck by just how different these things sound! Maybe my ears a little more tuned here...I have no idea...

[trimph1]

- Steven Slate
biggest asshole in the industry

And you have to stoop to this?

Because you can't prove something in court you now stoop to insults...

[Slate]

If not wanting to deal with two entire years of being stalked, insulted, harrassed, being called a c**t and tons of other nice things, and being discredited both personally and professionally makes me an asshole.. then sure. For now, I will only respond to relevant and respectful discussion. I am here because I find it important to have personal interaction with my customers. Not to be personally attacked with talks of "jew mafia" and other hateful things and offensive things. Hopefully we can get back to discussion that is professional.