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IK/SR VI HOT BUY - GROUP BUY on eSoundz!!! SampleTank Instruments for $99 + more!
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- KVRAF
- 10366 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
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Reverend Rhythm Reverend Rhythm https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6041
- KVRAF
- 2859 posts since 21 Feb, 2003 from Woodstock, GA USA
Just a little reminder:
Squids wrote:http://www.esoundz.com/news1.php?nbr=5999
CURENTLY THE NUMBER FOR THE GROUP BUY IS: 324
THE THIRD TIER ON THE GROUP BUY IS HIT!!! THREE FREE additional SampleTank libraries of your choice for those that purchased any of the VI in this Hot Buy from www.esoundz.com this month. PLUS as a special bonus and thank you we're giving everyone who joins the group buy a FREE exclusive Miroslav Outtakes collection for SampleTank available for download soon!
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- KVRian
- 1068 posts since 25 Jul, 2007 from Calgary
This ia a great deal for those who are new to soft synths- you get a whole lot of variety for little cha-ching!
esoundz: JavaJ
esoundz: JavaJ
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- Topic Starter
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Might even end tonight at midnight or tomorrow morning first thing.Krabat wrote:The EZ10 - coupon expieres tomorrow. So hurry guys, if you want to use it!!!
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- KVRist
- 42 posts since 2 Jun, 2010
It has gotten quiet in this thread all of a sudden.
Friendly bump back to first page.
NoviceNewbie
Friendly bump back to first page.
NoviceNewbie
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 19 Apr, 2011
Arrrggghhhh! Just jumped in AGAIN for Sonic Synth 2 this time - May 31st cannot come soon enough for me and my wallet! Unless there's another sale lined up...................dammit!
Another plug in and 3 more freebies was too much to resist, just gotta keep my eyes closed for 6 more days and this will all be over (don't forget to breathe lank).
Subtlearts you got the referral man so if you jump in and eventually get Miroslav then don't forget the little people, you know what I'm sayin?
Torgo you were a close runner again for all your helpful posts but after giving you the first one and everyone showing you some love on here since I reckon your rolling in it more than squids!
Thanks for hitting me back with the referral points though, I haven't been on since so I ain't had chance to say thanks.
Roll on 400 Whooooooooo
Another plug in and 3 more freebies was too much to resist, just gotta keep my eyes closed for 6 more days and this will all be over (don't forget to breathe lank).
Subtlearts you got the referral man so if you jump in and eventually get Miroslav then don't forget the little people, you know what I'm sayin?
Torgo you were a close runner again for all your helpful posts but after giving you the first one and everyone showing you some love on here since I reckon your rolling in it more than squids!
Thanks for hitting me back with the referral points though, I haven't been on since so I ain't had chance to say thanks.
Roll on 400 Whooooooooo
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- KVRist
- 79 posts since 14 Nov, 2005 from berlin,germany
hey wow, that was out of the blue, thanks for that! I'm still hoping for some 11th hour love from itunes, if it happens and I am able to pick up Miroslav before this whole shebang winds down, I will gladly repay in kind!
tobias tinker
sonic adventures and experiments at:
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music is easy; just start with complete silence and take away the parts you don't like!
sonic adventures and experiments at:
tobiastinker.com
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music is easy; just start with complete silence and take away the parts you don't like!
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- KVRian
- 505 posts since 30 Jan, 2007
Quick walkthrough: intro to loops in SampleTank
Seems like most of the users in this thread (myself included) are more into the instrument sounds than the drum loops or other grooves. But SampleTank has a few nifty features for loops too.
You can try them out even if you don't have any of the loops/grooves packages or the main SampleTank or Sonik Synth instrument libraries. The SampleTank Free library includes a nice pair of loop maps: Ambient-Dub 2 120 bpm and Hip Hop RnB 2 90 bpm.
Load up the Ambient-Dub 2 120 bpm, and try out different notes anywhere in the A0 to F4 range. There are different loops mapped to each of the white keys. Not bad, huh? That's nearly a whole ambient/trip hop construction kit included in the free library.
Now load up the Hip Hop RnB 2 90 bpm in a separate part. Put it on the same MIDI channel, but click its "solo" button (or click the mute button for the Ambient-Dub set) so that it will be the only sound you hear.
Then click on the Zone button so that you can see its ranges. Its main beats are in the C2-B2 octave, with five more accent sounds below (A0 to E1) and above (E3 to B3). The parts here are intended to work together in combinations. Try out E2 to hear its sound, then listen to B2. Then hold down both notes together. And then try them in combination with C1 (holding down C1, E2 and B2 all at the same time).
Now turn off the solo or mute button so that you can hear both the Ambient-Dub and the Hip Hop RnB sounds at the same time. Hold down the C2 note.
It's a mess, huh?
That's because as their names indicate, the Ambient Dub loops are at 120 bpm while the Hip Hop RnB loops are only at 90 bpm. They're at different tempos, so they don't play well together.
But look in the bottom right area of the SampleTank interface, just above the ZONE button. There's an area called "Master", and it has a button labeled "SYNC". Click on that Sync button. And try the C2 note again.
Both loops have been reset to the same tempo as your sequencer workstation. It might sound really good or really horrible, depending on your workstation's current tempo. If you can, set your sequencer to 100 bpm. At that tempo, the combination makes a pretty interesting trip-hop groove.
There's also a second "SYNC" button in the "Part" section of the interface, just above the spot where you select effects. That one turns the sync feature on and off for just the Part (the one loop) that is currently selected. The one in the Master section turns it on or off for all loops.
Using the SYNC feature changes the pitch of the loop along with the tempo. You'll probably want to stay pretty close to the original tempo. Shifting a 120 bpm loop down to 110 or 100 bpm works pretty well, but it will sound quite different (and usually quite bad) if you drop that 120 bpm loop down to 70 or 60 bpm.
The counter is that many of the loop ReTank packages have slices as well as the original loops. The Ambient Dub and Hip Hop RnB loops here had completely different loops on each key. You load one sound, and you get lots of different loops.
But with most of the ReTank packages, you load just one loop at a time. The loop plays on B1, and the notes from C2 on up each play one sound from the loop. So if you need a more extreme tempo change - or want to edit a loop, perhaps taking out a percussion hit you don't want - you can do it by playing/programming a sequential run of notes starting at C2. No matter what the tempo is, the pitch will remain the same.
Key exception: the Seventies Retro Grooves set has loop mappings like the Ambient Dub and Hip Hop RnB from SampleTank Free. It doesn't have the slices. I don't know why SR did that set differently from the others, but they did.
-torgo (esoundz = bhall1968)
Seems like most of the users in this thread (myself included) are more into the instrument sounds than the drum loops or other grooves. But SampleTank has a few nifty features for loops too.
You can try them out even if you don't have any of the loops/grooves packages or the main SampleTank or Sonik Synth instrument libraries. The SampleTank Free library includes a nice pair of loop maps: Ambient-Dub 2 120 bpm and Hip Hop RnB 2 90 bpm.
Load up the Ambient-Dub 2 120 bpm, and try out different notes anywhere in the A0 to F4 range. There are different loops mapped to each of the white keys. Not bad, huh? That's nearly a whole ambient/trip hop construction kit included in the free library.
Now load up the Hip Hop RnB 2 90 bpm in a separate part. Put it on the same MIDI channel, but click its "solo" button (or click the mute button for the Ambient-Dub set) so that it will be the only sound you hear.
Then click on the Zone button so that you can see its ranges. Its main beats are in the C2-B2 octave, with five more accent sounds below (A0 to E1) and above (E3 to B3). The parts here are intended to work together in combinations. Try out E2 to hear its sound, then listen to B2. Then hold down both notes together. And then try them in combination with C1 (holding down C1, E2 and B2 all at the same time).
Now turn off the solo or mute button so that you can hear both the Ambient-Dub and the Hip Hop RnB sounds at the same time. Hold down the C2 note.
It's a mess, huh?
That's because as their names indicate, the Ambient Dub loops are at 120 bpm while the Hip Hop RnB loops are only at 90 bpm. They're at different tempos, so they don't play well together.
But look in the bottom right area of the SampleTank interface, just above the ZONE button. There's an area called "Master", and it has a button labeled "SYNC". Click on that Sync button. And try the C2 note again.
Both loops have been reset to the same tempo as your sequencer workstation. It might sound really good or really horrible, depending on your workstation's current tempo. If you can, set your sequencer to 100 bpm. At that tempo, the combination makes a pretty interesting trip-hop groove.
There's also a second "SYNC" button in the "Part" section of the interface, just above the spot where you select effects. That one turns the sync feature on and off for just the Part (the one loop) that is currently selected. The one in the Master section turns it on or off for all loops.
Using the SYNC feature changes the pitch of the loop along with the tempo. You'll probably want to stay pretty close to the original tempo. Shifting a 120 bpm loop down to 110 or 100 bpm works pretty well, but it will sound quite different (and usually quite bad) if you drop that 120 bpm loop down to 70 or 60 bpm.
The counter is that many of the loop ReTank packages have slices as well as the original loops. The Ambient Dub and Hip Hop RnB loops here had completely different loops on each key. You load one sound, and you get lots of different loops.
But with most of the ReTank packages, you load just one loop at a time. The loop plays on B1, and the notes from C2 on up each play one sound from the loop. So if you need a more extreme tempo change - or want to edit a loop, perhaps taking out a percussion hit you don't want - you can do it by playing/programming a sequential run of notes starting at C2. No matter what the tempo is, the pitch will remain the same.
Key exception: the Seventies Retro Grooves set has loop mappings like the Ambient Dub and Hip Hop RnB from SampleTank Free. It doesn't have the slices. I don't know why SR did that set differently from the others, but they did.
-torgo (esoundz = bhall1968)
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- KVRian
- 921 posts since 14 May, 2010 from Atlanta, GA
Nice work yet again, torgo!
I've been working with Country Folk Rhythms after your and Squids debate piqued my interest!
And since it's a good test of how natural the SYNC/Mode settings can sound...
I'm finding that for drum kit and percussion, the ps/ts mode works most transparently, and for instrument licks, either note or phrase in the stretch engine leaves things the most intact. Try both!
Just remember on patches with lots of different loops or phrases mapped across the keyboard, you have to apply SYNC and Mode to each one, even if the Master SYNC is on! Unless the MIGHTY Squids or Yod...uh, torgo know a trick...
One more note, loops usually sound better going up in tempo than down in ST, cuz it sounds better to throw out slivers of loop time than stretch them to fill in.
Thanks also to osidenick for the reminder about the Stretch/Legato combo... It's on some of the solo female voice patches and it's AMAZINGLY real and expressive! I recently used it in a TV spot for a classic Star Trek theme soprano melody.
Even two guys I work with who sing in the multi-grammy winning Atlanta Symphony Chorus were impressed!
KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt
I've been working with Country Folk Rhythms after your and Squids debate piqued my interest!
And since it's a good test of how natural the SYNC/Mode settings can sound...
I'm finding that for drum kit and percussion, the ps/ts mode works most transparently, and for instrument licks, either note or phrase in the stretch engine leaves things the most intact. Try both!
Just remember on patches with lots of different loops or phrases mapped across the keyboard, you have to apply SYNC and Mode to each one, even if the Master SYNC is on! Unless the MIGHTY Squids or Yod...uh, torgo know a trick...
One more note, loops usually sound better going up in tempo than down in ST, cuz it sounds better to throw out slivers of loop time than stretch them to fill in.
Thanks also to osidenick for the reminder about the Stretch/Legato combo... It's on some of the solo female voice patches and it's AMAZINGLY real and expressive! I recently used it in a TV spot for a classic Star Trek theme soprano melody.
Even two guys I work with who sing in the multi-grammy winning Atlanta Symphony Chorus were impressed!
KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt
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- KVRist
- 42 posts since 2 Jun, 2010
I apologize in advance, but I have another nOOb question. I have some combis for Sonik Synth that show up when I run SS standalone, but do not show up when I run SS within SampleTank. Do I need to copy/move the combis somewhere in order for them to appear in SampleTank?
To kinda keep this on topic, I want to say again how much I love the sounds within these instruments. By particpating in the earlier group buy, I now have a huge palette of sounds to use. If you are a nOOb like me, this is a great opportunity to load up on instruments at a cheap price, especially if the group buy gets to 400.
NoviceNewbie
To kinda keep this on topic, I want to say again how much I love the sounds within these instruments. By particpating in the earlier group buy, I now have a huge palette of sounds to use. If you are a nOOb like me, this is a great opportunity to load up on instruments at a cheap price, especially if the group buy gets to 400.
NoviceNewbie
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- KVRian
- 505 posts since 30 Jan, 2007
Yes - to use the combis in SampleTank, you need to copy them into the SampleTank "Presets" folder. (If you're running a Windows system, look for SampleTank in C:\Program Files.)
Also note that you'll need to have the regular instrument sounds copied into SampleTank's instruments folder. But that might not be much of a problem, as you can designate the location of the instruments from within each VI's interface.
For example, you could set up a folder called SampleTankInstruments, and within it you could have folders named Miroslav, SonikSynth, SampleMoog, AcousticDrumCollection, etc, etc, etc. Make the top folder ("SampleTankInstruments") be the main instrument folder for SampleTank. Make the SonikSynth subfolder be the instruments folder for Sonik Synth, etc.
That way you'll only need one copy of all the sounds on your hard drive, have all the instruments available within SampleTank, and still have the sounds from the other programs available within those other instruments.
After that, you'd only need to copy whatever Combi's you want to use to the SampleTank presets folder.
To change the location of the main instruments folder, look for the "PREFS" button toward the right side of the SampleTank interface.
Also note that you'll need to have the regular instrument sounds copied into SampleTank's instruments folder. But that might not be much of a problem, as you can designate the location of the instruments from within each VI's interface.
For example, you could set up a folder called SampleTankInstruments, and within it you could have folders named Miroslav, SonikSynth, SampleMoog, AcousticDrumCollection, etc, etc, etc. Make the top folder ("SampleTankInstruments") be the main instrument folder for SampleTank. Make the SonikSynth subfolder be the instruments folder for Sonik Synth, etc.
That way you'll only need one copy of all the sounds on your hard drive, have all the instruments available within SampleTank, and still have the sounds from the other programs available within those other instruments.
After that, you'd only need to copy whatever Combi's you want to use to the SampleTank presets folder.
To change the location of the main instruments folder, look for the "PREFS" button toward the right side of the SampleTank interface.
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- KVRist
- 42 posts since 2 Jun, 2010
Thanks for the quick response, torgo. I thought it might be something like that.
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- KVRian
- 921 posts since 14 May, 2010 from Atlanta, GA
I agree wholeheartedly! I just got in a year ago on the 10x1 STXT GB, (what was the final total? Over 7000?) and have been knocked out by what the ST platform offers. IK. SR, NI (thru the Infinite Player) and eSoundz have let me put together a library I could have only dreamt of a few years ago for MUCH less than the price of one hardware synth.NoviceNewbie wrote:To kinda keep this on topic, I want to say again how much I love the sounds within these instruments. By particpating in the earlier group buy, I now have a huge palette of sounds to use. If you are a nOOb like me, this is a great opportunity to load up on instruments at a cheap price, especially if the group buy gets to 400.
NoviceNewbie
From an Irish hand drum to a dance synth stab, I've got it SOMEWHERE now! And the things that surprise me from sets I wouldn't have thought would work for me is what make these group buys so great.
Don't be afraid to go outside your comfort zone style-wise when choosing libraries, it's ALL good. (Did I mention Hip Hop Instruments, Electronic Drums or World Instruments in the last page or so?) Sometimes worlds colliding is just what the doctor ordered. And it can't get any cheaper than free!
KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt
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- KVRian
- 505 posts since 30 Jan, 2007
I probably sounded really harsh on Country Folk Rhythms there. It's more a case of understanding what you're getting than anything else.Xenobt wrote:I've been working with Country Folk Rhythms after your and Squids debate piqued my interest!
Think of CFR as a drum loop package that also offers enough other elements to throw down a hoedown - it has the drum backbeats, plenty of rhythm guitar grooves, and other bluegrass staple instruments like the mandolin and fiddle.
If you stick mainly with the drums and guitar, using the other stuff just for added flavoring, it's a great set. As Squids noted before, the recording quality is fantastic. You'll find yourself wanting to paddle faster before those banjo riffs catch up with you.
But the set has its flaws and limitations. The dobro bits are nice, but there isn't enough dobro material there to lay down parts more complex than two-note slide-ups. (It seems like nearly all the loops are slide-ups, which is odd considering there's a whole other folder dedicated to nothing but those same kinds of dobro slide-ups.)
There's about 120 meg of mandolin loops - a fairly solid offering. And there's also a folder of mandolin chords. But strangely, they're ONLY in the major keys. If you want an E-minor chord, you're out of luck. (Appalachian music without the minor keys? What were they thinking?)
The bass "notes" folder has an odd presentation that makes it nearly useless. Instead of a key-mapped bass instrument, the folder is a collection of single-note "loops". Each one loads separately, taking up a different Part for every different note you want to play. You'd be far better off just loading up a nice bass instrument sound and playing the part. The mando chords have the same problem - each loads separately. Combining those "loops" into a key-mapped set would have made them much more practical.
There are also folders of banjo and fiddle loops (about 40 meg each) plus tambourine and misc percussion folders (about 30 meg each). Again, they're nice - but if you want to play specific parts (rather than just dropping in a quick taste of banjo without caring what it's playing), then you'll need an instrument rather than a handful of loops.