MixControl Pro (Group Buy Started)

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Why wouldn't you just turn individual channels down instead of putting a limiter on it?

i mix, write and sculpt sound as i go along...a limiter is a very useful 'catch-all' that facilitates ease in this process...


one could argue that eq is unnecessary if you chose the right combination of sounds and ensure good performances...there are arguments against compressors also....

mixcontrol has a perfect set of elements...the inclusion of the stereo plugin pretty much ensures that i only ever use mc 'large'..of all the things i thought i'd never have to defend, it would be the limiter

why did you include it in the first place ??

[rlahalla]

i mix, write and sculpt sound as i go along...a limiter is a very useful 'catch-all' that facilitates ease in this process...

But again, you could just turn the volume down, thus retaining your dynamic range. Providing a mastering engineer with a properly mixed track with solid dynamic range is a huge key in the music production process. I think if people used limiters less in track production, there wouldn't be a loudness war at all..

one could argue that eq is unnecessary if you chose the right combination of sounds and ensure good performances...there are arguments against compressors also....

Not true, as an equalizer allows the subtle or drastic sculpting of audio frequencies, for the purpose of avoiding multiple frequency collisions and blending elements together. This you cannot do with a limiter. Also, even well recorded elements may need removal of certain frequencies to sit within your mix properly.


Remember kids, boosting is bad, cutting is cool!

why did you include it in the first place ??

Initially I was thinking more about the people who do indeed use them on a lot of material, but then I realized I was just contributing to the lack of dynamic range the world is filled with right now

[thecontrolcentre]

then I realized I was just contributing to the lack of dynamic range the world is filled with right now

I'm with you on this one. I always turn the limiter off.

[rlahalla]

then I realized I was just contributing to the lack of dynamic range the world is filled with right now

I'm with you on this one. I always turn the limiter off.

I'm not trying to be the mixing buzz-kill here, but I would like to think that something I'm involved in will do some good for the music industry, not just continue in the same old path as the past 500 mixing-related tools marketed to make you think it's the end-all be-all tool that will make your tracks pro.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i mix, write and sculpt sound as i go along...a limiter is a very useful 'catch-all' that facilitates ease in this process...

But again, you could just turn the volume down, thus retaining your dynamic range. Providing a mastering engineer with a properly mixed track with solid dynamic range is a huge key in the music production process. I think if people used limiters less in track production, there wouldn't be a loudness war at all..

one could argue that eq is unnecessary if you chose the right combination of sounds and ensure good performances...there are arguments against compressors also....

Not true, as an equalizer allows the subtle or drastic sculpting of audio frequencies, for the purpose of avoiding multiple frequency collisions and blending elements together. This you cannot do with a limiter. Also, even well recorded elements may need removal of certain frequencies to sit within your mix properly.


Remember kids, boosting is bad, cutting is cool!

why did you include it in the first place ??

Initially I was thinking more about the people who do indeed use them on a lot of material, but then I realized I was just contributing to the lack of dynamic range the world is filled with right now

actually, i have no interest in contributing to the loudness war, it really is just about workflow for me

as for the eq thing, i understand totally why eq's are useful...all's i'm saying is i've heard it argued that both eq's and compressors are unnecessary if you are attentive to your source...of course, i disagree as i use them for many reasons...

point is that everybody's got their 'something'...

my last project had over 100 tracks...if i choose to slam a few of those tracks up against a brickwall, a la sound design, when it comes to mixing i can bring these things up or down in a mix and still have enough headroom just incase one day i'm lucky enough to be able to afford pro-mastering

i don't even think i've used mc on the mix bus yet...nothing is that finished

but this is what i do use it for

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1982708/dnr%20beat.mp3



unless i'm mistaken, the proposition was making the limiter a separate product, so the concept of limiting seems to be very much alive

you may have changed your mind about it's validity, but of the few people who have bothered to respond to whether the limiter should be kept, i think the majority are in favour of keeping it

[JasonSpatola]

But a good limiter can actually help you *maintain* the dynamics of low level field recordings that have lots of superloud transients during sections when people are trying to punch/otherwise molest your hand puppet when they realize you have a recorder inside of it.

I really don't think this is an uncommon circumstance.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

But a good limiter can actually help you *maintain* the dynamics of low level field recordings that have lots of superloud transients during sections when people are trying to punch/otherwise molest your hand puppet when they realize you have a recorder inside of it.

I really don't think this is an uncommon circumstance.

a set of tools such as this confined to just adding a little finalising to the mix is a huge waste, imo

the fact that i can do all this in one plug is why i reach for channel strips...and using mc was the reason i sold trackplug

i realise i'm an amateur when it comes to mixing, but i am a musician/composer first...i need great, easy-to-use tools...a low cpu-hit is great...part of this is a limiter, and if i have to look outside of this gui to get it, it starts to detract from the resaon i love all-in-one strips

[rlahalla]

unless i'm mistaken, the proposition was making the limiter a separate product, so the concept of limiting seems to be very much alive

you may have changed your mind about it's validity, but of the few people who have bothered to respond to whether the limiter should be kept, i think the majority are in favour of keeping it

No, I hadn't heard of any separate limiter project unless steve's working on something else too. Albeit, I haven't read this entire thread so I might be wrong.

As far as the limiter is concerned, it's really up to them in the end. It was just my suggestion anyways, if you guys all want it in there I'm sure they'll take that into consideration.

[MaxSynths]

Just a word about the EQ in MixControl: it's fantastic. I was looking for an EQ solution some time ago and I must admit I'm impressed by the EQ of MC. I think the word "surgical" describe it well: it's very precise and do not add color to the sound; same impression for the compressor... hope to find some time to write a review soon

[vata44]

I do not know if this is turning into a "my dreams for the next MixControl thread" but here is my wish list.

1. Better GUI for the EQ (nearly everyone loves FabFilters eQ, so model the user interface after this, please)
2. A Bigger GUI, easier to read, bigger knobs/labels
3. Panning! Why is there no Panning? (LFO also?)
4. Keep the Limiter and add a Clipper
5. Tube/Saturation warmth (think about Nomad Factories Channel strips)
6. ADSR?

Just my wish list.

[DNR Collaborative]

I do not know if this is turning into a "my dreams for the next MixControl thread" but here is my wish list.

You are more than welcome to add feature requests here, as we do not plan on starting another discussion about MixControl or it's successor on KVR Audio. We will do such a thing on our own forum, but since it requires a separate registration, feel free to add your suggestions and feature requests here and we will look into each of the possibilities.


Steven

[Nielzie]

You are more than welcome to add feature requests here, as we do not plan on starting another discussion about MixControl or it's successor on KVR Audio. We will do such a thing on our own forum, but since it requires a separate registration, feel free to add your suggestions and feature requests here and we will look into each of the possibilities.

Feature request:

High precision frequency analyzer

[JasonSpatola]

We will do such a thing on our own forum, but since it requires a separate registration, feel free to add your suggestions and feature requests here and we will look into each of the possibilities.

When's your forum going to be operational? Or am I too stupid to find a "new topic" button?

[DNR Collaborative]

We will do such a thing on our own forum, but since it requires a separate registration, feel free to add your suggestions and feature requests here and we will look into each of the possibilities.

When's your forum going to be operational? Or am I too stupid to find a "new topic" button?

There should be a "New Topic" button somewhat awkwardly placed on each forum discussion board. We are currently having our web designer work on a custom forum system with single login integration, but it may take some time before we have something fully implemented. For now, we wanted to get the system entirely on our own system to start the process. Once it is fully setup it will be much easier for users to post in the forum without needing to register and login twice.


Steven

[JasonSpatola]

We will do such a thing on our own forum, but since it requires a separate registration, feel free to add your suggestions and feature requests here and we will look into each of the possibilities.

When's your forum going to be operational? Or am I too stupid to find a "new topic" button?

There should be a "New Topic" button somewhat awkwardly placed on each forum discussion board. We are currently having our web designer work on a custom forum system with single login integration, but it may take some time before we have something fully implemented. For now, we wanted to get the system entirely on our own system to start the process. Once it is fully setup it will be much easier for users to post in the forum without needing to register and login twice.


Steven

That wasn't there yesterday, right? Tell me that wasn't there yesterday. Even if it's a lie... Just for the sake of my sanity.