SYN'X 2.5 Released - Xils-Lab - (Multitimbral Synthex - intro discount-)

[mellotronaut]

Additionnaly a Dongleless Demo will be available

LtZ

what must we do to make you abandon dongle-dom forever? I'm almost on the edge with upgrading to xils 3, but this dongle thing is seriously scaring me off, probably due to the usb problems I've had lately. wouldn't wanna depend on that.

anyhow, looking forward to the demo, then.

ANd to MellOOo :

Well the dongle protection has been effective in our case cos none of the current "offer" in the darkside worlds for the PolyKB II is effective. There are dark versions but with big troubles for the unfortunate users. Some specific versions never got war...ed as well. So ..

I was offered this year an Ilok while working for a big company who only uses Ilok. Had -very few- trouble installing it and until now it works OK. Otoh I use Elicencer for many years now and never had a single problem with it.

Its very fast ti use, I can install the synths on every computer, and I dont have to fuss with C/R and decreasing authorisation numbers like for many of my other synths.

This said I can prefectly understand all the concerns. The Xils 3 LE and the PolyKB II Advanced Player are available with serials only.

And yes Chris, there will be a very attractive intro offer and I really wish you can enter the bandwagon, as I feel some of the instruments will be of interest for your particular style !

Well you can wait for the audio demos to confirm this, ....... or not

LtZ

Hi Laurent,


there is always the devs' perspectives and the customers' perspectives, there is always the 'money is no issue' perspective and the 'money is an issue' perspective. I'll buy the synth license, if i can, and the dongle won't determine my decision, because i have all these dongles already in use.
I don't need any more synth, but i like the audio demos a lot and i love XILS - 3.

mellOochriS

[HunterKiller]

I really think XILS Lab is up there if not better. I own Way out Ware both synths and while they sounded good when they came out (there's good SOS review of Timewarp with comparison to the real deal), I honestly think XILS Lab goes further with the CPU available nowadays. Anyway, the previous synths were not 1:1 emus, rather inspired by which is perfectly fine with me. The basic sound is just very juicy and analog like (with this and Fxpansion, and new U-HE synths), more than what I've heard before in synths. I don't know why people think only GForce and Way Out Ware could do it, they haven't even released synths in ages (I like both companies though, I just think XILS Lab deserves more respect and Xavier has more than proved his skills in DSP wizardry ).

WOW stuff still stands up soundwise, and it was designed in 2004, that says a lot - that it's even able to compete with the latest generation of analog modeling. I agree that Xils 3 sounds good. However I was not too impressed by PolyKB, overall it didn't have a certain knock out factor. But it is very nice, very usable plugin.

I think all of those companies deserve respect. XILS is pretty new on the block, maybe with 1 or 2 more plugs and they'll have the same rock hard reputation.

[HunterKiller]

but obviously Hunterkiller doesn't own a Xils-Lab synth like PolyKB II

Tried it though.

and yes I've demo'ed Way Out Ware's synth - didn't sound especially analogue to me, sounded like a vst synth again IMO...didn't knock me out!

They are the closest to 70's analog synths, as close as I've encountered over the past decade.

But Hunterkiller coming into this thread and slating it isn't fair - the demo isn't even out yet, all that 'Analogue Sound' is in your opinion and subjective, as is my opinion! But I don't go around slating a synth, try the demo - not for you - move on!

It's not subjective. Hence the pursuit of it.
Nothing worse than "pulling an Arturia" on a synth. No one wants that.

I was actually hoping Xavier would just do a modern synth, I'm not even remotely worried about a Synthex emulation - I'd never even heard of it, I'll judge it on it's own merits - I won't compare as I can't! It is what it is...

Never heard of a Synthex????

Welcome to Earth!

[HunterKiller]

@ Lotuzia
Man, that's creepy how you've gone through my past posts.

So my conclusion is that you're a very demanding power user.

I'm always demanding about everything, because I know it can be done, the standard can be raised.

tbh I'm happy having to face the demands of people like you. It just help us improving our work and introduce new perspectives and approaches.

Good, that's exactly why I do it. So that imaginative, entrepreneuring minds might take it up as a challenge and come up with something to surprise us all, even themselves.
And the best thing about it is: everyone benefits.

Anyway if you ever try the soon to be available demo Hunterkiller, feel free to share your thoughts with us. I'm curious to see what you will think of it, and I'm sure it will raise some interesting points.
LtZ

I think we're all looking forward to this exciting new release from XILS.

[hakey]

all that 'Analogue Sound' is in your opinion and subjective

It's not subjective.

The perception of sound is subjective.

try the demo - not for you - move on

+1

[Rosebudd]

Very happy with the XILS sound.
Not interested in photo-identical GUIS.
XILS support are excellent - I do not forsee any dongle problems with this company.
I've been using dongles for years.
No problems.
C/R is worse. much worse.
Funnily enough every audio app I own that's dongle protected is worth the 'hassle'.
XILS are most definitely worth the hassle.
They sell the eclicenser for dirt cheap.
Hallelujah.

A+

Power power mega party.

[Ingonator]

Very happy with the XILS sound.
Not interested in photo-identical GUIS.
XILS support are excellent - I do not forsee any dongle problems with this company.
I've been using dongles for years.
No problems.
C/R is worse. much worse.
Funnily enough every audio app I own that's dongle protected is worth the 'hassle'.
XILS are most definitely worth the hassle.

+1 for all of this.


@HunterKiller:
I love TimewARP 2600 too but that's no reason not to try the Xils synths.
Anyway i have to confess that TimewARP 2600 is a kind of my personal "reference" for analog emulations. The PolyKB and Synthix are quite different so they are not so easy to compare. I never used a real PolyKobol but the PolyKB II sounds great for sure. Same i expect for Synthix.


Ingo

[breakmixer]

They are the closest to 70's analog synths, as close as I've encountered over the past decade.

It's not subjective. Hence the pursuit of it.
Nothing worse than "pulling an Arturia" on a synth. No one wants that.

Never heard of a Synthex????

Welcome to Earth!

Nope, never heard of one, Moog, Sequential Circuits & Roland only! Didn't know anyone elsed made synths back in the day - Did Fisherprice make one? I may of owned one of them in the 70's!

What's "Pulling an Arturia"?

Thankyou - I come in peace!

Sorry Lotuzia, couldn't resist - looking forward to the demo...

Back to the seriousness of this thread now...

[Lotuzia]

Yes lets be serious a bit Breakmixer you're right !

Now that the GUI and UI have been discussed a bit, ( but Im' sure they'll come back sooner or later I take a break with the audio demos ( 12 hours of work today should be enough ) to come back to the features, that I abandonned on page well ....... 2

So there are 8 totally independant layers, but what can you find in a Layer ?


The following is included in each Layer :

4 "special" enveloppes : EV1 is harwired to the VCA, EV2 to the Filter, then you can use EV3 & 4 to modulate what you want in the Modulation Matrix.

One Independant Modulation Matrix per layer. 6 sources and targets pairs.

4 LFOs including two neverseen LFOs types I'll detail later

2 Oscillators, each with 7 possible waveforms wich can be combined. A lot have PWM.Drift factor (detune OSC1/2 )

Independant Sync, Ring Mod, and -very sophisticated- Glide settings.

Multimode Filter with 5 Filters ( 2LP, 2BP, 1 HP ). Pre or Post drive.


So that the features list becomes :



Synthix has 8 totally independant Layers.
The Maximal Polyphony is 16 voices
It has a Split mode and a Guitar mode ( Special Multitimbral mode ) and many other playing modes ( Details later )

Layer 1/8 components :

• 4 "special" enveloppes : EV1 is harwired to the VCA, EV2 to the Filter, then you can use EV3 & 4 to modulate what you want in the Modulation Matrix.
  
  1 Independant Modulation Matrix per layer. 6 sources and targets pairs.
  
  4 complex LFOs including two neverseen LFOs types I'll detail later. All 4 LFOs have their own Modulation Matrix
  
  2 Oscillators, each with 7 possible waveforms wich can be combined. A lot have PWM.Drift factor (detune OSC1/2 ). Individual Volume Control of all oscillators. One noise oscillator with Pink or White noise and volume control
  
  Independant Sync, Ring Mod, and -very sophisticated- Glide settings.
  
  Multimode Filter with 5 Filters ( 2LP, 2BP, 1 HP ). Pre or Post drive.
  
  Global Layer Volume Control, and switchable True Stereo ( Another exclusive feature ) or Standard Pan Control

You'd imagine you could do a lot of both very standard AND very unusual stuff with the layers, all beeing completely independant.

Well .....

I might confirm this.

You can

LtZ

[djanthonyw]

Just wondering, is there a release date yet?

[HunterKiller]

all that 'Analogue Sound' is in your opinion and subjective

It's not subjective.

The perception of sound is subjective.

Any papers on that?

try the demo - not for you - move on

+1

-1

[Mr. Breeze]

Is there a separate output for each layer?

[hakey]

The perception of sound is subjective.

Any papers on that?

Do you even understand what the word subjective means?

[HunterKiller]

I knew you were full of it!

[HunterKiller]

The Maximal Polyphony is 16 voices

Is this per layer?
If not, isn't that a little restrictive?